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Taking On a Tampa Cap Dump

Created by: Hockyluv21
Team: 2021-22 Carolina Hurricanes
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 29, 2021
Published: Jun. 29, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
As seen by the RNH contract, more years = lower cap hit. If you want the cap hit to be closer to Krug than Pietrangelo, the Canes may want to offer an 8th year.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$6,000,000
5$3,800,000
1$750,000
2$1,300,000
5$2,580,000
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$6,800,000
2$1,000,000
2$750,000
Trades
1.
CAR
  1. Johnson, Tyler
  2. 2022 1st round pick (TBL)
TBL
    Future Considerations
    2.
    LAK
    1. Gardiner, Jake
    2. 2022 6th round pick (CAR)
    3.
    CAR
      Protected: Aho, Svechnikov, Teravainen, Trocheck, Staal, Lorentz, Geekie, Slavin, Pesce, Bean, Nedeljkovic
      4.
      PIT
      1. 2022 1st round pick (CAR)
      DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
      2021
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      2022
      Logo of the TBL
      Logo of the CAR
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      Logo of the ANA
      Logo of the CAR
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      2023
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      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      22$81,500,000$78,478,758$0$537,500$3,021,242
      Left WingCentreRight Wing
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $6,000,000$6,000,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 8
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $8,460,250$8,460,250
      C
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $5,400,000$5,400,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $5,250,000$5,250,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $4,750,000$4,750,000
      C, RW
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
      RW
      RFA - 1
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $2,580,000$2,580,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $6,000,000$6,000,000
      C, LW
      NMC
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      RW, C, LW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $800,000$800,000
      C, RW
      RFA - 1
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $2,000,000$2,000,000
      RW
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $725,000$725,000
      C, LW, RW
      UFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $5,300,000$5,300,000
      LD
      M-NTC
      UFA - 4
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $6,800,000$6,800,000
      RD
      UFA - 7
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $3,800,000$3,800,000
      G
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
      $4,025,175$4,025,175
      LD
      UFA - 4
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $4,025,000$4,025,000
      RD
      UFA - 3
      Logo of the Los Angeles Kings
      $2,900,000$2,900,000
      G
      UFA - 2
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $1,300,000$1,300,000
      LD/RD
      RFA - 3
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $1,000,000$1,000,000
      RD
      UFA - 3
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $750,000$750,000
      LW
      UFA - 1
      Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
      $750,000$750,000
      LD
      RFA - 1

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      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:15 p.m.
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      I think you are a little light on Dougie's cap hit. Edit: RNH's contract is low in terms of AAV because of his full NMC. Does Dougie get that too?

      I also don't understand the Quick trade, seems like an expensive backup if Ned is your clear starter (which he should be).
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      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:15 p.m.
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      Canes can’t afford to take on bad contracts for draft picks right now. Too many guys needing deals over next 2-3 years.

      Conceptually I agree on Hamilton but think the lowest AAV he signs for here is 7.5-7.7 range at 7-8 years. Also don’t think we’ll sign Foegs, especially not for 5 years.

      Also need an upgrade in top 6 winger and an upgrade over Hakanpaa on third pair. Lastly, no reason to take Quick contract on - can get a good 1B option for half the price in FA.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:17 p.m.
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      Quoting: Ritzy
      I think you are a little light on Dougie's cap hit. Edit: RNH's contract is low in terms of AAV because of his full NMC. Does Dougie get that too?

      I also don't understand the Quick trade, seems like an expensive backup if Ned is your clear starter (which he should be).


      Yes, I would give Hamilton a NMC.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:19 p.m.
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      Quoting: vikhodush
      Canes can’t afford to take on bad contracts for draft picks right now. Too many guys needing deals over next 2-3 years.

      Conceptually I agree on Hamilton but think the lowest AAV he signs for here is 7.5-7.7 range at 7-8 years. Also don’t think we’ll sign Foegs, especially not for 5 years.

      Also need an upgrade in top 6 winger and an upgrade over Hakanpaa on third pair. Lastly, no reason to take Quick contract on - can get a good 1B option for half the price in FA.


      Actually, they can take on Johnson's deal. It expires the season before Aho/Pesce/Turbo need to be paid, and Nino's and Trocheck's deal expires when Necas needs to be paid. Also, the Quick deal expires right when my proposed Svech bridge ends.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:22 p.m.
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      I don't get why we get a 1st to take on Johnson's bad contract, but have to pay a 1st to get Pettersson's bad contract. It's not as bad as Johnson, but I wouldn't pay anymore than a late round pick for that cap hit.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:22 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      Actually, they can take on Johnson's deal. It expires the season before Aho/Pesce/Turbo need to be paid, and Nino's and Trocheck's deal expires when Necas needs to be paid.


      Yes they can fit it in if they wanted to. My point is it’s unwise to since he’s overpaid for what he is and you’ll have that money tied up in a bottom 6 player when you could just go out and use that cap space on an impact player in their top 6.

      Plus while I understand nino and Troch come off when Necas needs a new deal I’m pretty sure they’ll want to extend Troch but if they do this deal and tak Johnson on they likely won’t be able to make it work. Either way, Johnson over Troch and/or other top 6 UFAs doesn’t make sense to me to get an extra first rounder (which is pretty much a second rounder coming from Tampa) during their legit window.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:24 p.m.
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      Quoting: Dzinger18
      I don't get why we get a 1st to take on Johnson's bad contract, but have to pay a 1st to get Pettersson's bad contract. It's not as bad as Johnson, but I wouldn't pay anymore than a late round pick for that cap hit.


      Because Pettersson's contract, at least my opinion, is quite fair, despite his somewhat-down year. Good skater for his size that would fit like a glove next to Pesce.
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      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:28 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      Because Pettersson's contract, at least my opinion, is quite fair, despite his somewhat-down year. Good skater for his size that would fit like a glove next to Pesce.


      I'm not saying it's atrocious or anything, but 4 million still isn't your friend when you give up a 1st rounder for a guy like Pettersson. I would be perfectly fine if the pick was 1 or 2 rounds back though.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:31 p.m.
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      Edited Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:36 p.m.
      Quoting: Dzinger18
      I'm not saying it's atrocious or anything, but 4 million still isn't your friend when you give up a 1st rounder for a guy like Pettersson. I would be perfectly fine if the pick was 1 or 2 rounds back though.


      If the price was a 2nd or a 3rd, Pittsburgh would likely send him out west instead of a division rival. A 1st round pick, OTOH, would probably get Pittsburgh to consider trading one of their younger defenseman to a key rival. Also, on our end, the Tyler Johnson cap dump IMO would make the 1st round price for Pettersson far more palatable, not dissimilar to how the Marleau dump made the Skjei trade price far easier to swallow.
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      Jun. 29, 2021 at 1:56 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      If the price was a 2nd or a 3rd, Pittsburgh would likely send him out west instead of a division rival. A 1st round pick, OTOH, would probably get Pittsburgh to consider trading one of their younger defenseman to a key rival. Also, on our end, the Tyler Johnson cap dump IMO would make the 1st round price for Pettersson far more palatable, not dissimilar to how the Marleau dump made the Skjei trade price far easier to swallow.


      Pettersson is not worth a 1st round pick. He's a bottom pairing defenseman that can play on the 2nd pair in a pinch. He's not worth his cap hit. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's a negative value player, but in no universe could he return a 1st. A 4th round pick seems about right.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 2:17 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      Because Pettersson's contract, at least my opinion, is quite fair, despite his somewhat-down year. Good skater for his size that would fit like a glove next to Pesce.


      Quoting: Hockyluv21
      If the price was a 2nd or a 3rd, Pittsburgh would likely send him out west instead of a division rival. A 1st round pick, OTOH, would probably get Pittsburgh to consider trading one of their younger defenseman to a key rival. Also, on our end, the Tyler Johnson cap dump IMO would make the 1st round price for Pettersson far more palatable, not dissimilar to how the Marleau dump made the Skjei trade price far easier to swallow.


      Finally someone who isn’t a pens fan at least does research, if not has actually watched him rather than just listening to to the trolls in the pens fanbase that need a whipping boy. Pettersson’s contract is solid. And he is definitely a 2nd pair d. And most are in that 4-5 million per year range. And he could potentially still grow as he is young and not even in his prime for a dman.
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      Jun. 29, 2021 at 2:17 p.m.
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      Pettersson is not worth a 1st round pick. He's a bottom pairing defenseman that can play on the 2nd pair in a pinch. He's not worth his cap hit. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he's a negative value player, but in no universe could he return a 1st. A 4th round pick seems about right.

      No he is a 2nd pair defenseman and his stats prove it lol
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 2:35 p.m.
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      No he is a 2nd pair defenseman and his stats prove it lol


      Even if that were true (I disagree), he's still not worth anything near a 1st round pick.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 2:56 p.m.
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      Quoting: tkecanuck341
      Even if that were true (I disagree), he's still not worth anything near a 1st round pick.


      Then the pens wouldn’t trade him, especially to a divisional opponent lol.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 6:50 p.m.
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      were I every team's gm I wouldn't take Johnson and 1st after that cap circumvention unless they pay three 1st round picks
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 8:01 p.m.
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      Quoting: grodziQ
      were I every team's gm I wouldn't take Johnson and 1st after that cap circumvention unless they pay three 1st round picks


      LOL I get it, but no. A second first round pick to play around with in the offseason is no joke.
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 8:06 p.m.
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      LOL I get it, but no. A second first round pick to play around with in the offseason is no joke.


      you forgot about 3 years of Tyler Johnson right?
      Jun. 29, 2021 at 8:18 p.m.
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      Edited Jun. 29, 2021 at 8:23 p.m.
      Quoting: grodziQ
      you forgot about 3 years of Tyler Johnson right?


      No I didn't. Johnson's deal expires right when you have to pay Aho/Pesce/Turbo. Nino and Trocheck expire right when you need to pay Necas. All of it is completely doable under our cap, especially since Johnson is still a productive contributor and isn't a dead-weight player. Again, when you consider all of that, I'd love a second first to play with.
       
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