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Created by: GoHabsGo99
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 15, 2021
Published: Jul. 15, 2021
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Is there an asset to be gained for MTL in this?

From my understanding, the recapture is $24.5M total so $4.9M x 5 if he retires this summer...would NSH pay an asset to acquire the LTIR money and avoid the dead cap?

Or am i missing something
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Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
14$81,500,000$48,237,977$597,561$1,475,000$33,262,023
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,125,000$2,125,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
C
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 6
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$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$875,000$875,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
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NMC
UFA - 5
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
LD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2

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Jul. 15, 2021 at 2:48 p.m.
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Had the same question myself
Jul. 15, 2021 at 2:55 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Had the same question myself


not sure Weber would "screw over" his old team without warning... so they could potentially work something out
Jul. 15, 2021 at 2:55 p.m.
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Isn't it a win-win for Montreal here. League approved trade so blow-back.
The Habs place Weber on LTIR and if he's able to come back for the playoffs then he plays with no cap issues ala Kucherov.
If after the year layoff he decides to retire since he can no longer play to the standards he is used too, then Nashville eats the recapture penalty. If Nashville wants to trade for him during that time so they can buy him out, there should be a piece going back the other way I would think.
Jul. 15, 2021 at 2:56 p.m.
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Quoting: GoHabsGo99
not sure Weber would "screw over" his old team without warning... so they could potentially work something out


I think if it’s injury related, the penalty won’t apply.
So it may be moot.
Jul. 15, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.
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Isn't it a win-win for Montreal here. League approved trade so blow-back.
The Habs place Weber on LTIR and if he's able to come back for the playoffs then he plays with no cap issues ala Kucherov.
If after the year layoff he decides to retire since he can no longer play to the standards he is used too, then Nashville eats the recapture penalty. If Nashville wants to trade for him during that time so they can buy him out, there should be a piece going back the other way I would think.


the situation sucks because i love Weber, but he aged about 3 years this year after looking very good last year and in the bubble...the 7.8M in cap space is a welcomed addition
Jul. 15, 2021 at 2:59 p.m.
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Not likely. The Habs don't get to control if Weber retires or goes on LTIR. That's up to Weber and the NHL/NHLPA.

The only way it would makes sense for Nashville to trade for Weber is Montreal decides he's going to be a healthy scratch going forward and that might push him to retire early. In that case Nashville could trade for him to keep him active, but that's not worth doing for a few more years, since they'd be taking on his $7.8M cap hit and right now the recapture is cheaper. In the last couple years of his contract that changes.

Montreal is the one that's feeling the pain right now, especially if it's not clear if Weber will miss part of the season, the whole season or retire. Dramatically changes what they can do with that cap space.
Jul. 15, 2021 at 3:17 p.m.
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If Weber is has knee, ankle, foot and thumb injuries that require surgery, maybe not the thumb. The NHL/NHLPA don't have any say if he goes on LTIR specially if he elects to have those surgeries at a later date.
Reports all over that he won't play next season, never mind healthy scratch, so that's $ 7,857,143 of cap space the Habs will be able to use.
Jul. 15, 2021 at 3:35 p.m.
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Posted elsewhere but here's an abridged version:

If Weber wants to retire there isn't a thing either team can do so Nashville isn't going to trade you anything to put Weber on LTIR. If Weber is too injured to play and wants to continue being paid, Montreal can put him on LTIR or buy him out (hint... buying him out is harder on Montreal then it is Nashville)
 
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