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Created by: Richard88
Team: 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 2, 2021
Published: Aug. 2, 2021
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  1. Kessel, Phil ($3,400,000 retained)
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$80,628,130$1,741,463$3,432,500$871,870
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 8
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$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$9,250,000$9,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 4
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$908,333$908,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 2
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$725,000$725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 6
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
UFA - 6
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$875,000$875,000
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$809,167$809,167 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$725,000$725,000
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UFA - 1

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Aug. 2, 2021 at 3:48 p.m.
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Col is one of the worst fits for Kessel tbh. It would be a disaster
Aug. 2, 2021 at 4:01 p.m.
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I like kessel, but arizona can't retain on more than 2 contracts (kuemper, OEL) so the avs can't afford it


Nevermind CBA must have been updated it now states 3 players retained salary per team
Aug. 2, 2021 at 4:13 p.m.
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Id do it. Hes fast and scores off the rush so offensively it works stylistically, plus has cup experience and is a playoff performer

I would tweak the lines a bit cause Burakovsky, Kadri, and Kessel are all shoot first players
Aug. 2, 2021 at 4:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Meeqs
Col is one of the worst fits for Kessel tbh. It would be a disaster


What? Why?

Kessel would be fine as the scoring threat on our 3rd line next to Nichuskin and Jost. Or in the top 6. Either way he'd provide affordable secondary scoring.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 4:30 p.m.
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Id do it. Hes fast and scores off the rush so offensively it works stylistically, plus has cup experience and is a playoff performer

I would tweak the lines a bit cause Burakovsky, Kadri, and Kessel are all shoot first players


I agree on the lines.

I'd probably have it as:

Landeskog -- Mackinnon -- Rantanen
Kadri ----------- Newhook --- Burakovsky
Nichuskin ------- Jost ---------- Kessel
Helm ----------- Maltsev ------- O'Connor/Compher

Feel free to swap Kadri/Newhook at 2C.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 4:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Meeqs
Col is one of the worst fits for Kessel tbh. It would be a disaster


Could you elaborate why ? Kassel would add some needed depth and he can score, he’s probably older and slower, but he’s much better than Compher anyway.
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 4:51 p.m.
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What? Why?

Kessel would be fine as the scoring threat on our 3rd line next to Nichuskin and Jost. Or in the top 6. Either way he'd provide affordable secondary scoring.


The gap between the player people THINK Kessel is and who he actually is is astounding.

Unless you have a system that lets him cherry pick constantly and can feed him top end PP time the dude will just be a large net negative. Col can do neither of those things

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Could you elaborate why ? Kassel would add some needed depth and he can score, he’s probably older and slower, but he’s much better than Compher anyway.


I understand saying this will make people who don't understand Kessel super well, completely disregard everything I say, BUT I actually think Compher would provide a better chance of winning than Kessel would


The guy is at the absolute bottom on the league in PP contribution, Penalty issues and is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the entire NHL. He is a guy who provides nothing other than his shot and is a massive detriment everywhere else. IF you are a team completely devoid of talent like ARZ then that can provide some use, but for good contending teams they can't take that trade off

I guess an example for Colorado fans to better understand the reality of the situation here. Imagine Iginla in the last year of his deal but worse
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Aug. 2, 2021 at 5:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Meeqs
The gap between the player people THINK Kessel is and who he actually is is astounding.

Unless you have a system that lets him cherry pick constantly and can feed him top end PP time the dude will just be a large net negative. Col can do neither of those things



I understand saying this will make people who don't understand Kessel super well, completely disregard everything I say, BUT I actually think Compher would provide a better chance of winning than Kessel would


The guy is at the absolute bottom on the league in PP contribution, Penalty issues and is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the entire NHL. He is a guy who provides nothing other than his shot and is a massive detriment everywhere else. IF you are a team completely devoid of talent like ARZ then that can provide some use, but for good contending teams they can't take that trade off

I guess an example for Colorado fans to better understand the reality of the situation here. Imagine Iginla in the last year of his deal but worse


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Aug. 2, 2021 at 5:16 p.m.
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Its easy with high draft picks and players who used to be stars to get tricked by their reputation, it happens to actual NHL GM's even. This just happens to be one of the most drastic cases. If he was a useful player towards winning a cup Pit would have never moved him. He's been shot since the year before he was moved to Arz
Aug. 2, 2021 at 5:53 p.m.
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Quoting: Meeqs
The gap between the player people THINK Kessel is and who he actually is is astounding.

Unless you have a system that lets him cherry pick constantly and can feed him top end PP time the dude will just be a large net negative. Col can do neither of those things

I understand saying this will make people who don't understand Kessel super well, completely disregard everything I say, BUT I actually think Compher would provide a better chance of winning than Kessel would

The guy is at the absolute bottom on the league in PP contribution, Penalty issues and is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the entire NHL. He is a guy who provides nothing other than his shot and is a massive detriment everywhere else. IF you are a team completely devoid of talent like ARZ then that can provide some use, but for good contending teams they can't take that trade off

I guess an example for Colorado fans to better understand the reality of the situation here. Imagine Iginla in the last year of his deal but worse


See here's the thing: Avs do have a system, and even a line, that's tailor made for him to cherry pick. Put him on the 3rd line with Nichuskin and Jost and he can cherry pick all he likes because those two are going to cover everything defensively and drive possession. Nichuskin-Jost-Donskoi was #1 in the entire NHL in xGF% and Corsi last year, I'm sure they'd manage just fine having Kessel on that line instead of Donskoi.

As for PP time. He's not getting on PP1, but we could certainly use a RHS who can shoot from the top of the circles.

------- Landeskog -----------
Mack -- Kadri -- Rantanen
--------- Makar ----------------

-------- Nichuskin/Compher ------
Kessel ------------------ Burakovsky
---------- Girard --- Toews -----------
Aug. 2, 2021 at 5:57 p.m.
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See here's the thing: Avs do have a system, and even a line, that's tailor made for him to cherry pick. Put him on the 3rd line with Nichuskin and Jost and he can cherry pick all he likes because those two are going to cover everything defensively and drive possession. Nichuskin-Jost-Donskoi was #1 in the entire NHL in xGF% and Corsi last year, I'm sure they'd manage just fine having Kessel on that line instead of Donskoi.

As for PP time. He's not getting on PP1, but we could certainly use a RHS who can shoot from the top of the circles.

------- Landeskog -----------
Mack -- Kadri -- Rantanen
--------- Makar ----------------

-------- Nichuskin/Compher ------
Kessel ------------------ Burakovsky
---------- Girard --- Toews -----------


The Avs system is the antithesis of his skill set and even if they did trade for him the coach would just end up benching him for being a passenger

You are just deluding yourself here because of the brand name recognition.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 6:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Meeqs
The Avs system is the antithesis of his skill set and even if they did trade for him the coach would just end up benching him for being a passenger

You are just deluding yourself here because of the brand name recognition.


This has nothing to do with Kessel's name or brand. He scores points. I wouldn't be talking about him if he hadn't just put up 43 points in 56 games.

Keep in mind that Colorado also had Donskoi who, whilst he had good transition stats, was far from good defensively and not really a north-south player, instead playing a very east-west game which is the opposite of the Avs direct style.

Consider Kessel a direct replacement for Donskoi at the same cap hit. If Donskoi can pace for 50 points on the Avs then Kessel can too, and that's all I care about. There are enough piano carriers on this team, they need someone who can offer secondary scoring after losing Saad and Donskoi.
Aug. 2, 2021 at 6:30 p.m.
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This has nothing to do with Kessel's name or brand. He scores points. I wouldn't be talking about him if he hadn't just put up 43 points in 56 games.

Keep in mind that Colorado also had Donskoi who, whilst he had good transition stats, was far from good defensively and not really a north-south player, instead playing a very east-west game which is the opposite of the Avs direct style.

Consider Kessel a direct replacement for Donskoi at the same cap hit. If Donskoi can pace for 50 points on the Avs then Kessel can too, and that's all I care about. There are enough piano carriers on this team, they need someone who can offer secondary scoring after losing Saad and Donskoi.


Players can score points and still be negative value, it happens all of the time. There are A LOT of ways bad players put up point totals that can be deceiving

I'm not here trying to tell you not to live you best life if you like certain guys, just not to hold you breath when one of the best player eval teams doesn't trade for one of the worst underlying numbers players in the NHL, you'll pass out.

Donskoi is a significantly better player than Kessel is today. You are better off just letting a prospect like Kaut who could potentially replace him get that spot than an old player who we are certain cannot
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