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Necas

Created by: habsfan00
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 4, 2021
Published: Sep. 4, 2021
Team: 2022-23 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
TDL DEALS ARE IN 2022
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Suzuki, Nick8$8,500,000
Lehkonen, Artturi1$2,300,000
Necas, Martin5$1,000,000
Belpedio, Louis1$750,000
Brook, Josh1$750,000
Khisamutdinov, Arsen1$750,000
McNiven, Michael1$750,000
Pezzetta, Michael1$750,000
Schueneman, Corey1$750,000
Teasdale, Joël1$750,000
Vejdemo, Lukas1$750,000
Romanov, Alexander3$3,000,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
necas, martin5$7,250,000
Wright, Shane3$925,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Necas, Martin$1,000,000No Compensation
Trades
1.
MTL
    necas
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    1. 2023 1st round pick (MTL)
    2. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
    3. 2023 3rd round pick (MTL)
    4. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
    2.
    MTL
    1. 2024 7th round pick (DET)
    DET
    1. Byron, Paul
    2. 2022 2nd round pick (MTL)
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    3.
    MTL
    1. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
    TDL
    EDM
    1. Lehkonen, Artturi
    4.
    MTL
    1. 2022 1st round pick (CAR)
    2. 2022 3rd round pick (CAR)
    CAR
      Buyouts
      • Karl Alzner: $833,333
      DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
      2022
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      2023
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      2024
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      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      20$82,500,000$83,041,666$1,132,500$1,352,500-$541,666
      Left WingCenterRight Wing
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      Hoffman, Mike
      $4,500,000
      LW, RW
      UFA - 2
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      Suzuki, Nick
      $8,500,000
      C
      UFA - 8
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      Caufield, Cole
      $880,833
      LW, RW
      RFA - 1
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      Toffoli, Tyler
      $4,250,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 2
      Necas, Martin
      $1,000,000
      RW, C
      RFA
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      Anderson, Josh
      $5,500,000
      RW, LW
      NTC
      UFA - 5
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      Drouin, Jonathan
      $5,500,000
      LW, RW, C
      NTC
      UFA - 1
      Wright, Shane
      $925,000
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      Gallagher, Brendan
      $6,500,000
      RW
      NMC NTC
      UFA - 5
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      Mysak, Jan
      $850,833
      C, LW
      RFA - 2
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      Poehling, Ryan
      $750,000
      C, LW
      RFA - 1
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      Armia, Joel
      $3,400,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 3
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      Edmundson, Joel
      $3,500,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 2
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      Petry, Jeff
      $6,250,000
      RD
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      UFA - 3
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      Price, Carey
      $10,500,000
      G
      NMC
      UFA - 4
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      Romanov, Alexander
      $3,000,000
      LD/RD
      RFA
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      Savard, David
      $3,500,000
      RD
      UFA - 3
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      Allen, Jake
      $2,875,000
      G
      UFA - 1
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      Guhle, Kaiden
      $894,167
      LD
      RFA - 2
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      Brook, Josh
      $750,000
      RD
      RFA
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      necas, martin
      $7,250,000
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      Weber, Shea
      $7,857,143
      RD
      UFA - 4

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      Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:05 p.m.
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      Canes would match, and likely offerhseet Caufield the year after when you've got your cap tied up.
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      Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:07 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caniac2000
      Canes would match, and likely offerhseet Caufield the year after when you've got your cap tied up.


      OR sign cole b4 the season, we have the space for it
      Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:09 p.m.
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      Quoting: habsfan00
      OR sign cole b4 the season, we have the space for it


      So... why wouldn't Carolina just do that with Necas? They have space for it too...
      Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:21 p.m.
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      Oh please happen, I don’t want this to end
      Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:35 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caniac2000
      Canes would match, and likely offerhseet Caufield the year after when you've got your cap tied up.


      Could you offersheet Caufield or would he be 10.2(c)?
      Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:46 p.m.
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      Quoting: aedoran
      Could you offersheet Caufield or would he be 10.2(c)?


      I believe Caufield will be offersheet eligible.
      Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:56 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caniac2000
      I believe Caufield will be offersheet eligible.


      Q. Hughes is 10.2(c) this season and he has played 129 games and the most Caufield will have 92.
      Sep. 4, 2021 at 6:57 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caniac2000
      Canes would match, and likely offerhseet Caufield the year after when you've got your cap tied up.


      Weber is going on ltir for the next 5 years, Habs are going to have 8 millions more cap space than the canes for this fight. The only reason haha wouldn’t match is because the players isn’t worth half the price canes are paying. Letting Hamilton go when you have a weak defense to replace him with a center when you have no issues at center certainly isn’t progress. If you think Suzuki and caufield are going to make it to rfa status you are sadly mistaken, on the other hand, the canes are known for trying to low ball they rfas which is why the aho offer happened in the first place. So we know the canes prospects are going to hit rfa status regularly.
      Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:11 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caniac2000
      I believe Caufield will be offersheet eligible.


      After looking into it number of games doesn't really matter. Since Caufield signed at 20yrs old he needs 3 seasons to become Group 2 eligible so until he is he can't be offersheeted.

      I could be interpreting this incorrectly.
      Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:15 p.m.
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      Quoting: Habsdave
      Weber is going on ltir for the next 5 years, Habs are going to have 8 millions more cap space than the canes for this fight. The only reason haha wouldn’t match is because the players isn’t worth half the price canes are paying. Letting Hamilton go when you have a weak defense to replace him with a center when you have no issues at center certainly isn’t progress. If you think Suzuki and caufield are going to make it to rfa status you are sadly mistaken, on the other hand, the canes are known for trying to low ball they rfas which is why the aho offer happened in the first place. So we know the canes prospects are going to hit rfa status regularly.


      Difference is... Aho openly admitted to using Montreal to stay in Carolina. He said publicly he turned down a bigger cap hit because he didn't think it would be matched. Aho used to end his debate. Right now, Montreal will be in the fight for Shane Wright. Why would anyone want to sign there? Also, why didn't Kotkaniemi get locked up then? He was a 3rd overall pick and still has fantastic upside. But he continued on. Players don't like Canada tax you see. It's why Canadian RFA's are always among the last to sign (Marner, Nylander, Hughes, Tkachuk, Pettersen)
      Sep. 4, 2021 at 7:58 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caniac2000
      Difference is... Aho openly admitted to using Montreal to stay in Carolina. He said publicly he turned down a bigger cap hit because he didn't think it would be matched. Aho used to end his debate. Right now, Montreal will be in the fight for Shane Wright. Why would anyone want to sign there? Also, why didn't Kotkaniemi get locked up then? He was a 3rd overall pick and still has fantastic upside. But he continued on. Players don't like Canada tax you see. It's why Canadian RFA's are always among the last to sign (Marner, Nylander, Hughes, Tkachuk, Pettersen)


      The difference in net salary between Carolina and mtl for a 6m base contract is 500k, so I doubt that would have ampered any negociations efforts as Canadian gms expect to be asked for that additional 500k. Carolina let go a top talent at defense who had twice as many goals and points as kotkaniemi last season while moving that money to overpaid offense. In the meantime MTL added Hoffman, Dvorak and Savard while making the Stanley cup finals so I think a team that improved over the team that beat the golden knights and the leafs should be able to convince players the conditions are in place to push further or at least repeat, not sure what makes you say mtl is looking at last position
      Sep. 5, 2021 at 4:16 p.m.
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      Quoting: Habsdave
      The difference in net salary between Carolina and mtl for a 6m base contract is 500k, so I doubt that would have ampered any negociations efforts as Canadian gms expect to be asked for that additional 500k. Carolina let go a top talent at defense who had twice as many goals and points as kotkaniemi last season while moving that money to overpaid offense. In the meantime MTL added Hoffman, Dvorak and Savard while making the Stanley cup finals so I think a team that improved over the team that beat the golden knights and the leafs should be able to convince players the conditions are in place to push further or at least repeat, not sure what makes you say mtl is looking at last position


      Montreal lost Weber, Kotkaniemi and Danault. Carolina added Bear, Cole, Kotkaniemi, Andersen, Raanta, DeAngelo, Leivo, Stepan... there's a LOT of improvements on this Canes roster. Hamilton was let go because his deal is going to be an anchor almost as soon as the puck drops this season. Carolina have MAJORLY improved almost everywhere. Montreal still are weak down the middle.
      Sep. 5, 2021 at 4:41 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caniac2000
      Montreal lost Weber, Kotkaniemi and Danault. Carolina added Bear, Cole, Kotkaniemi, Andersen, Raanta, DeAngelo, Leivo, Stepan... there's a LOT of improvements on this Canes roster. Hamilton was let go because his deal is going to be an anchor almost as soon as the puck drops this season. Carolina have MAJORLY improved almost everywhere. Montreal still are weak down the middle.


      idk about MAJORLY
      Sep. 5, 2021 at 5:32 p.m.
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      Quoting: Caniac2000
      Montreal lost Weber, Kotkaniemi and Danault. Carolina added Bear, Cole, Kotkaniemi, Andersen, Raanta, DeAngelo, Leivo, Stepan... there's a LOT of improvements on this Canes roster. Hamilton was let go because his deal is going to be an anchor almost as soon as the puck drops this season. Carolina have MAJORLY improved almost everywhere. Montreal still are weak down the middle.


      None of the players that carolina took on are difference makers. Hamilton's production accounts for almost all of these guys production added up. Andersen couldn't keep up a .900 average with a defense that is of similar quality as carolina's and raanta's 905 is also under Reimer's 906 so wouldn't call those upgrades. I would also question the judgement of someone that brings a guy like DeAngelo in a locker room full of kids. I would've passed on that, no matter how low the price tag was. Montreal's center line is going to be better than last year's, Danault is going to stop taking Evan's ice time (who is faster and more skilled). Weber is not lost, he's on the LTIR where is highest value is for the cap space he provides. Most discussions about him last year were about how slow he was and how he should be pushed to retire. What we have now is better than a retired weber, he's a cap boosting weber. In the end we'll only see what the result is once the season start but my feeling is that the right pieces are now in the right slots and the underachieving centers issue we had have been handled. As to the "who would want to sign in montreal" point you are trying to make, I'd just say Carolina doesn't have anything very bright to show in that sector either, nothing matching montreal's recent UFA signings anyways (toffoli, chiarot, savard, hoffman).
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      Sep. 6, 2021 at 11:23 a.m.
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      idk about MAJORLY


      They have, they're far deeper, and the drop-off at the top end isn't major enough to worry about missing the playoffs. The goaltender has VASTLY improved, the defense is deeper, yeah dougie walking hurts, but TDA is a 50 point guy and is capable of filling the offensive gap he leaves. Dougie defensively was a car crash so there's no drop off there. Plus, Bear and Cole make this deeper than Bean, Fleury, Hakanpaa, Gardiner did.
      Sep. 6, 2021 at 11:31 a.m.
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      Quoting: Habsdave
      None of the players that carolina took on are difference makers. Hamilton's production accounts for almost all of these guys production added up. Andersen couldn't keep up a .900 average with a defense that is of similar quality as carolina's and raanta's 905 is also under Reimer's 906 so wouldn't call those upgrades. I would also question the judgement of someone that brings a guy like DeAngelo in a locker room full of kids. I would've passed on that, no matter how low the price tag was. Montreal's center line is going to be better than last year's, Danault is going to stop taking Evan's ice time (who is faster and more skilled). Weber is not lost, he's on the LTIR where is highest value is for the cap space he provides. Most discussions about him last year were about how slow he was and how he should be pushed to retire. What we have now is better than a retired weber, he's a cap boosting weber. In the end we'll only see what the result is once the season start but my feeling is that the right pieces are now in the right slots and the underachieving centers issue we had have been handled. As to the "who would want to sign in montreal" point you are trying to make, I'd just say Carolina doesn't have anything very bright to show in that sector either, nothing matching montreal's recent UFA signings anyways (toffoli, chiarot, savard, hoffman).


      Start with the goaltenders, Freddie played behind a defense in Toronto that is FAR worse than Carolinas. Carolina's is one of the best in the NHL, they have one of the best defensive systems in the NHL. Slavin is undeniably the best defensive defenseman in the NHL, Pesce is right there with him, Bear, Cole, Skjei... these guys aren't bad in their own end either. Raanta's issue is staying healthy. He'll be great when he can play. Freddie is going to be a case of not overplaying him, hence they have 4 other goalies under contract including 2 prospects if anyone needs to come up and take the reigns for a few games.

      TDA is also a kid... people forget that. TDA is a 50 point D man and he'll make up for the majority of the atributes Carolina lost with Dougie if he keeps his nose clean. Remember, Dougie was labelled as a cancer before he came to Carolina and look what happened with him, he's now viewed as one of the best D men in hockey.

      To say Montreal is better down the middle is a stupid arguement. Evans may be better than Danault eventually, but Danault is one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL. His underlying numbers are incredible and Evans doesn't provide that stability.

      Weber is lost. I get he's on LTIR and you get cap space and so on, but he's not there to QB the PP anymore. You do not have that 100 mph slap shot.

      In terms of who wants to sign in Montreal, Chiarot is very eh, Savard is a French Canadian. Hoffman and Toffoli are interesting that you brought up, but are they better than the collective of Jesper Fast, Ian Cole, Josh Leivo, Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Derek Stepan, Fredrik Andersen, Antti Raanta? That's just this year too, recently they had Dzingel, Gardiner (who chose Carolina over Montreal) I don't know that I'd say that Montreal has better luck drawing in free agents than Carolina does, especially with the state that team is in right now.
       
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