this is so bad its funny.

hainsey for a million wont happen
jagr on the fourth line for 2.5m wont happen
dumo signing for less than 3.7 wont happen.
cap rising to 75m wont happen.
cullen coming back at 41 wont happen.

this is soooooooooooooooooooooooo bad.

If atleast one of these happens I will come back here and flaunt my correctness and your wrongness

If did a sign and trade this then he would be worth Maatta, but one year of JVR for 3 years of Maatta won't cut it.

i dont think youve ever been right about anything hockey related, so please do.

I've gotta ask... Do you see Tanev as being better than Maata? I don't. And Tanev is more expensive, and through the trade routes you've made, we lose a 2nd, 3rd, and 5th, and only get VANs 4th/5th in return.

So in summary, we have an at best even trade of defense, get the slightly more expensive defensemen, and lose a 2nd and 3rd, and only get a year of JVR out of the deal?

Wouldn't the team be better off just keeping Maata and that 2nd/3rd than doing all this?

Tanev is 100% better than maata today.

Enough of an upgrade to lose Hagelin and a 2nd/3rd to do it? I don't think he's that much better than Maatta.

Sabres say no. Pouliot is not established enough and is a possible bust. GMTM cant afford any misses this summer, it will probably cost him his job

You don't know anything about me, you have literally been here for a couple days.

I love Hagelin and Maatta but Maatta's development has been sabotaged by injuries

I'm not gonna comment on any of the trades above or anything like that but defensively, Tanev is one of the best in the league. You can argue that Maatta has more offensive upside but I guess that talk is for later.

Maatta was supposed to be offensive, but for some reason hes been very defensive

Maatta was never supposed to an offensive guy. That was pouliot. Maatta was seen as a very steady all around player with good size and good skating that could play big minutes that was average offensively. Sadly Maatta hasn't been able to develop into a very reliable minute eating guy. He looks slow and his offense has droppped off significantly from junior. He is still only 22 and although injuries have really hampered his development I don't think the Pens would give up on him unless the return was a defenceman of similar age and potential. I didn't think he ever earned a 4 mil plus contract and that really is the negative about him.

as far as the the trades. Tanev is staying in vancouver to mentor their young dmen. He isn't one of the best in the league....don't know why someone said that but he is reliable top 4 dman. Right now he'd be an a small upgrade over Maatta but that's an age verse potential issue.
If Hainsey wants to resign I'd open to that as the guy just flat out knows how to play smart. He does a lot of little things well that a player like Dumoulin could learn as they are similar type of defenseman. I've always felt Dumoulin just needs to be a little tougher to play against.
I think the pens are intent on keeping pouliot unless they package him in a bigger deal. He has been playing better in the AHL recently.
Getting JVR would be a great add but only if he signs here

Have you checked his analytics? He's top 10 in terms of defensive defenseman.

Anyone can look good according to analytics. Tanev has never had more than 20pts in a season, never played more than 70games in a season and only averages around 20min of icetime a game. Never has he been considered a "shutdown" defenseman. I can appreciate he is having a good year, a year in which he will also not play more than 56 games so his analytics are skewed and can't be considered a top 10 when missing almost 30 games.

What are you even talking about? Everything you just said makes absolutely zero sense.

"Anyone can look good according to analytics"? ......That might be the stupidest thing I've heard in awhile.

"Not a shutdown Dman, never scored more than 20pts in a season"? .......That's exactly what he is though, a SHUTDOWN DMAN. My brain hurts from the stupidity. Please research before talking absolute nonsense. He's top-10 maybe even 5 defensive defensemen in the league, by far.

Here's a Canucks article talking about him: http://thecanuckway.com/2017/01/17/canucks-analytics-chris-tanev-corsi/

So you say article from a canuck sports page shows Tanev has good corsi in 2017. However his lack of games played due to never being able to stay healthy can skew corsi numbers becuase he isn't there a full 82 season. or in this case even a 60 game season. and per your article here is a quote for his play this season.
"So far this season, Tanev has been the Canucks’ second-worst Corsi player, with a Corsi-for percentage of 46.6. Only Luca Sbisa is a tad worse, coming in at 46.5.So far this season, Tanev has been the Canucks’ second-worst Corsi player, with a Corsi-for percentage of 46.6. Only Luca Sbisa is a tad worse, coming in at 46.5."

here is another quote:" But, shot rates improve almost everywhere in the offensive zone with Tanev on the bench. Especially the increase of shot attempts from the crease and slot area are worth mentioning. "


So Tanev is the 2nd worst corsi player on the tream this season and the Cannucks seem to play better when he is on the bench. The article also mentions that for most of the prior 3 seasons he played with either Alex Elder or Dan Hamhuis both of which are players that probably helped his corsi numbers.That's why I said analytics can make anyone look good. They don't take into account your linemates, defensive pairing ect. Mediocore players can ride shotgun with a crosby or toews caliber player and look better because of it on paper.
Thanks for giving me the article that makes your argument irrevelant. And notice I didn't have to call you stupid to make a point. Also this article was written when Tanev had only played 20 games so once again a top 5 shutdown defenseman that can't play more than 60 games in a season is laughable.