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New Jersey Devils signed Jack Hughes (8 Years / $8,000,000 AAV)

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Sep. 27, 2023 at 10:37 a.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
Oh so you're doubling down on your terrible take and proving you actually don't watch hockey. I'd love for you to name these 8 Cs who are apparently better than jack hughes?


Obvious ones out of the way: Matthews, McDavid, McKinnon, Draisaitl... duh
Ones that I give the slight edge to: Pettersson, Thompson
Ones that he's in the mix with: Crosby, Barkov, Point, Aho, Barzal, Zibby

So, it all depends on how you see it
Sep. 27, 2023 at 10:48 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Obvious ones out of the way: Matthews, McDavid, McKinnon, Draisaitl... duh
Ones that I give the slight edge to: Pettersson, Thompson
Ones that he's in the mix with: Crosby, Barkov, Point, Aho, Barzal, Zibby

So, it all depends on how you see it


He's better, but in the same tier as Tage Petterson Crosby Barkov and Point
Aho and Zibenejad are in a tier below with the likes of Hischier Eichel Stutzle etc
Barzal is LEVELs below. He hasn't even been close to a ppg in the 5 years since he last did it.
Sep. 27, 2023 at 10:52 a.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
He's better, but in the same tier as Tage Petterson Crosby Barkov and Point
Aho and Zibenejad are in a tier below with the likes of Hischier Eichel Stutzle etc
Barzal is LEVELs below. He hasn't even been close to a ppg in the 5 years since he last did it.


Tage, Pettersson, Barkov and Point + the 4 other guys makes 8... And Aho is very underrated too...

Barzal's also playing on the Islanders... The poster boys for 1-0 or 2-1 wins... How are you supposed to create offence with that team?
Sep. 27, 2023 at 11:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Tage, Pettersson, Barkov and Point + the 4 other guys makes 8... And Aho is very underrated too...

Barzal's also playing on the Islanders... The poster boys for 1-0 or 2-1 wins... How are you supposed to create offence with that team?


Except Tage Pettersson Barkov and Point are worse than Jack Hughes.

Barzal isn't better than Jack defensively either.
Sep. 27, 2023 at 1:02 p.m.
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Except Tage Pettersson Barkov and Point are worse than Jack Hughes.

Barzal isn't better than Jack defensively either.


Disagree... But that's just my opinion, you can have yours... I'd have Hughes 2nd or 3rd in that group, behind Barkov... With Point and above Thompson

Not arguing that though... I'm saying it's harder to create offence when you have nobody to play with who's good offensively
Sep. 27, 2023 at 1:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Disagree... But that's just my opinion, you can have yours... I'd have Hughes 2nd or 3rd in that group, behind Barkov... With Point and above Thompson

Not arguing that though... I'm saying it's harder to create offence when you have nobody to play with who's good offensively


TEN of Barzals teammates, including MATT MARTIN, generated more xGoals than him
Sep. 27, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.
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TEN of Barzals teammates, including MATT MARTIN, generated more xGoals than him


xG is a stupid stat IMO
Sep. 27, 2023 at 1:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
xG is a stupid stat IMO


It's literally the foundation of the charts you spouted at me. Don't try and spout analytics you don't understand
Sep. 27, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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Quoting: dgibb10
It's literally the foundation of the charts you spouted at me. Don't try and spout analytics you don't understand


No it's not, JFresh uses WAR instead of xG...
Sep. 27, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
No it's not, JFresh uses WAR instead of xG...


And what do you think the foundation of the WAR is?
Sep. 27, 2023 at 1:57 p.m.
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And what do you think the foundation of the WAR is?


I'll admit I'm wrong here... But I still don't like xG... I don't mid xGA bc there's no other measurement to determine defence but xG is a very irrelevant stat
Sep. 27, 2023 at 3:04 p.m.
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Creating offense isn't everything. Aho and Barkov are elite 200ft players who can both win faceoffs, play PK and defend well. All three things Jack cant.
Oct. 9, 2023 at 12:57 p.m.
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Quoting: HelmutCool
Creating offense isn't everything. Aho and Barkov are elite 200ft players who can both win faceoffs, play PK and defend well. All three things Jack cant.


Is it a coincidence that the devils struggle to find footing without Hughes but when Aho goes down the Hurricanes are perfectly fine?
Oct. 9, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Is it a coincidence that the devils struggle to find footing without Hughes but when Aho goes down the Hurricanes are perfectly fine?


Also at least per JFresh, aho doesn't even have better defensive analytics than Hughes
 
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