Jets need power play help and they would probably like to get out of Demelo’s deal that is 3 mill for the next 3 years. He plays 15 mins a game on the 3rd pairing…Mtl would need to retain 1 mill for this deal to work making Hoffman’s aav 3.5 mill. Hoffman would slide in perfectly on the 2nd line where the Jets are currently playing Svechnikov(!)… Hoffman would be a good trigger man for the second PP unit that currently lacks one.

Replacing Demelo's contract with a worse contract doesn't help the Jets. Plus your price is way too high for Hoffman. Getting a 2nd for Hoffman would be a home run, so getting a good defenseman on top isn't likely.

The Jets also don't need Hoffman as he's behind Scheifele, Wheeler, Connor, Dubois, Ehlers, Copp, Stastny and Perfetti for a top 6 spot and doesn't play defense at all, so he can't be used in the bottom 6.

Hoffman is the 6th highest goal scorer in the league over the last 5 years. Habs would need to retain 1 mill to make this deal go through. He makes 4.5 mill which would then become 3.5 mill a year for a player who has only scored or been on pace for less than 28 goals in a season once in his career. I repeat: He has scored LESS THAN 28 goals ONCE in his entire career. You think that is a bad contract? Come up with a better argument. Any team that could gain a near perennial 30 goal scorer for a 15 minute a game bottom pairing dman would in a heart beat. The Jets are playing Ahler Svechnikov in their top 6.

Montreal should hang onto him then, the Canadiens need goal scoring. Winnipeg just fixed their defense this year, they're not going to move one of those defenseman for a bottom 6 winger with a bad contract that doesn't fill a need.

The Habs are rebuilding. And again you’re saying a player who has only scored or been on pace for less than 28 goals once in his career making only 4.5 mill who would have an additional million retained is on a bad contract? Buddy everything you’re saying makes no sense. Are you even following along? Do you not realize the Habs are about to enter a rebuild? The Jets are playing Svechnikov in their top 6, he’s an Ahler. And Demelo is playing 15 minutes a game and makes 3 freaking million a year. He’s a bottom pairing dman. Hoffman is a top 10 goal scorer in the league over the last 5 years. Jets power play is bottom 10 in the league. Their defense has been revamped, they will not be hurt by losing a Dman who plays a measly 15 mins a game.. they will want to move him. They fill a need for cheap while moving a contract that is almost immovable. You don’t have to agree with the trade package but at least make your argument make sense. You brought up Cole Perfetti. Cole Perfetti isn’t even on the damn team full time yet. The best argument you could’ve come up with is you don’t think Jets could afford Hoffman for 2 more years because they have other guys to pay going forward. That is the only logical argument. Making Hoffman out to be a bad player or on a bad contract just discredits your opinion.

Yes for Montreal, Hoffman is a good player. For Winnipeg he's not. Tell me of the 8 players I listed on the Jets that are better than Hoffman, who does Hoffman pass? I see zero players on there that he is better than.

You don't have to like it, but Montreal is a bad team with a lot of bad contracts and not many desirable players. Hoffman isn't a good player that's why, before Montreal, every team he played for beforehand would dump him at the end of the season. Montreal has no one that can score goals they need to hang onto the only player theyhave that can pot a few.

So try to make a rational argument as to why Winnipeg would trade for a bad player with a bad contract that they don't have the cap space for and serves no purpose for them.

I listed a simple one, you don’t want to hear it because you have your mind made up. SVECHNIKOV is an Ahler playing in the Jets top 6. Hoffman is a near perennial 30 goal scorer. He fits exactly what the Jets need BOTTOM 10 power play. He would be making 3.5 million a year after retaining a mill. In what world do you think a bottom pairing 3 mill a year defenseman playing 15 mins a game (most teams pay these guys 750k a year) is worth more than a near perennial 30 goal scorer making roughly the same money? Make it make sense. If the Jets were weak on D I would totally understand what you’re saying, they aren’t. They are going to want to move Demelo’s contract. No way around it, can’t pay a bottom pairing dman 3 mill. You can pay a 30 goal scorer 3 mill. Especially when you’re a team who is having trouble scoring on the power play. Again, if your argument was that the Jets can’t pay him for two more years there would be a debate to be had. The arguments you’re making are simply bad.

Exactly, no rational reason. You haven't listed one player of the 8 Winnipeg has that are better than Hoffman, that Hoffman is going to beat out.

You keep bringing up a role player like Svechnikov to compare Hoffman to, yet Svechnikov makes less than a quarter of what Hoffman does and has put up 7 points this year just like Hoffman, lol. Doing so with less ice time and no power play time. I guess that makes Hoffman an AHL'er as well?

So once again, you need to come up with an argument that makes sense for Winnipeg to give up what would be Montreal's best defenseman for an overpaid winger on a bad contract term that they don't need and that produces like an AHL'er according to you.

Make a better argument. Saying a near perennial 30 goal scorer is a bad player and that said player after a mill retained making 3rd line money (3.5 mill) is a bad contract is a terrible argument. If you had said you don’t think the Jets can afford him for 2 more years because of other guys needing to be paid going forward there would be a debate to be had. Your Arguments are not good. I don’t understand the way people debate nowadays “I don’t like productive player so productive player bad”. No. On a team that needs depth scoring and help on the power play he is exactly the type of player you need. If you’re trading for him to be a top player on your team then that’s a bad idea. But he is not paid like a top player on a team. After retaining a mill he will be making 3.5 mill. That is 3rd line money. He will easily take Svechnikov’s spot and slide right into their top 6 like a glove and increase their scoring by a ton.

I totally get it bud. You’d rather have a 3rd pairing dman playing 15 mins a game having almost no impact on the game making 3 mill, rather than than 30 goal scorer on a team that is middle of the road in terms of goals for, making roughly the same money.

You’d also rather have an Ahler with a career high 20 points playing in your top 6 than a 30 goal scorer who would be making 3rd line money.

If I were an owner I’d want you to build my team.

That's what I'm asking you to do, make a better argument. You want to argue that Hoffman is better than Svechnikov, but we've discovered that Svechnikov making $750k produces just as much as Hoffman at $4.5 mil. I don't know where this retention is coming from, because none is mentioned in the deal.

However, your argument is that you want to compare Svechnikov to Hoffman when they don't play similar roles and wouldn't be competing for the same job.

It all boils down to this: Winnipeg is paying Svechnikov 750k to be their 9th best forward, why should they pay Hoffman $4.5mil to be their 9th best forward when Svechnikov is younger and matches Hoffman's production?

Also, consider that Winnipeg would need to move out an additional 1.5 mil to fit Hoffman.

So, now instead of arguing points that are meaningless, put together your argument for how Hoffman is going to pass 3 forwards on the list I provided to be able to play in Winnipeg's top 6 for the duration of his contract.

Such childish arguments. No one cares what Hoffman did the last 5 years. He's 32 and carries a bad contract until he's 35. $4.5 is a lot to pay for a #9 forward, even though you want to pretend that the salary cap doesn't exist.

Wow three examples of you not knowing how to count in one paragraph.. I’ll help you out. Hoffman’s contract is up when he is 34 not 35, a mill retained from 4.5 equals 3.5 and he wouldn’t be the #9 forward, he would be replacing Svechnikov in the top 6 making him the # 6 forward. But even if he were the #9 forward that would still be fine because that is the 3rd line and 3.5 mill is 3rd line money. Thanks for coming kid you got wrecked.

Lol. I didn't think you could come up with a rational argument. Making stuff up now like retention and sticking to your same extremely flawed argument. Sorry, I'm just not carrying on a conversation with someone who's hockey knowledge is limited to NHL21.

You're not going to get anywhere arguing with this guy. He's making trades based on passed production rather than present value, constantly referencing pace and possibilities instead of actual production. If Hoffman was that valuable a player, he would have been signed long term in FLA or STL over the past few years. They all saw him as disposable, and MTL was (from what I've read) the only team to offer a deal more than 1 year in length.

I got that sense by the end of the discussion. At first, I just thought it was someone who just didn't know anything about the Jets lineup, so I figured I'd give them some information. But when he kept sticking to the same "well Hoffman was good in the past, it doesn't matter that he is being paid 6 times more than Svechnikov for the same production" argument and wouldn't address any real points that I chalked it up to trolling.

I went through the same ordeal with his Gallagher deal. By the end it wasn't worth wasting the key strokes. I get it, fan bases love their team, and often overvalue their players, but you need perspective when evaluating the talent on your team. I'm all for having a discussion, but when someone isn't willing to even entertain other opinions the discussion just turns into a lecture and I lose interest.

Exactly. We're doing this for fun and it's interesting to get someone else's point of view and to just talk hockey. But when they just keep saying the same thing over and over and won't rebut any points that you've made it turns into a pointless discussion pretty quick.

I never said he was a bum. In fact, I said I liked him. But he's not worth 6.5 on any team. ANd he is a 3rd liner on a competitive team. I'd love to have him in that spot on the Leafs, but at half the cost. Both him and Price are paid for past performance.
Hoffman is a dressing room cancer (can't stay on a team even if he performs, and reference the Erik Karlsson situation from a few years ago in OTT). The Habs were desperate to try and build on a dream season and made a bad decision on him. Now you can live with the consequences.

You don’t actually buy into that locker room cancer bs do you? I hope you’re under 16. Every player in the league are paid for past performance, his performance is as early as last season. You pay a player for what they’ve done, not what you hope they will do. Players earn their contracts. Only the 20 year olds coming off their elc get paid for what you hope they do. Gally would be the 3rd best winger on the Leaves. Wouldn’t that make them a bad team? Also I see the recent package you put together for Gally to become a Leaf (would never happen) and you had the Leafs giving up more than I had Dallas giving up for Gally. You’re a hypocrite and I love it. This is entertainment. Btw Marner was paid for what they hoped he would do. They were hoping he would be able to perform in the playoffs and handed him 11 million (one of the worst contracts in the league) they were wrong. He is actually a negative to the team when it matters.

LMFAO. You obviously have no clue about anything NHL, just what's happening in good old Habs land. Actually look at the Gally deal I put together. It's not more, it's structured to help the Leafs cap and the Habs cap. But, you wouldn't know anything about that.

And just so you know, I think Marner is overpaid. But he's performing better than any Habs player currently under contract.

But, the real question is, why am I arguing with a 13 year old????

“Look at the Leafs deal it’s structured to help the Leafs cap” so was mine dingleberry ahahaha. We were taking back Radulov’s horrible contract. Don’t try to switch up now stick to your guns. You said Habs would have to give up a pick and prospect just to move Gallagher contract because he is a cap dump. YOU said that. You said it, so stick to it. I created a trade going by what you said I even quoted you word for word go check it out.

The Radulov contract is for this year only, Gallagher's is for the next 5. Dude, you make a terrible GM

Right and Radulov is 35, Gallagher is 29. Make sense?

That part doesn't matter.......The Habs need space to retool. The value of Radulov is that his contract expires this year and expedites the process.

GO back to your NHL22