SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

Trading Down

Created by: ricochetii
Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 26, 2021
Published: Dec. 30, 2021
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
Habs select 2nd overall.
ARI
  1. 2022 1st round pick (CAR)
2.
MTL
  1. 2022 1st round pick (WSH)
Additional Details:
Any team, but pick will be in 17-32 range.
WSH
  1. Chiarot, Ben ($1,750,000 retained)
3.
MTL
  1. 2022 1st round pick (CBJ)
  2. 2022 1st round pick (CHI)
Additional Details:
Trade may need adjusting based on final draft order.
CBJ
  1. 2022 1st round pick (MTL)
  2. 2022 1st round pick (WSH)
Additional Details:
Montreal's goal is to draft Jiribek and Geekie.
4.
MTL
  1. Puutio, Kasper [Reserve List]
Additional Details:
Could be another team for another deep RHD prospect.
FLA
  1. Kulak, Brett ($925,000 retained)
5.
MTL
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (NYI)
Additional Details:
Arizona can use supportive players under contract due to ability to attract free agents and bringing up young players in need of that support.
ARI
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. 2022 3rd round pick (MTL)
6.
MTL
  1. Meloche, Nicolas
  2. 2022 5th round pick (BUF)
SJS
  1. 2022 4th round pick (TBL)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2022
Logo of the CBJ
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the ANA
Logo of the CAR
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the BUF
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the STL
2023
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
2024
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$66,911,310$597,561$1,557,500$14,588,690
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,125,000$2,125,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,150,000$1,150,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$750,000$750,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$880,833$880,833
RW, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$875,000$875,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,875,000$2,875,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$894,167$894,167
LD/RD
RFA - 4
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,857,143$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$848,333$848,333 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LD/RD
RFA - 3

Embed Code

  • To display this team on another website or blog, add this iFrame to the appropriate page
  • Customize the height attribute in the iFrame code below to fit your website appropriately. Minimum recommended: 400px.

Text-Embed

Click to Highlight
Dec. 30, 2021 at 9:23 a.m.
#1
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2020
Posts: 2,686
Likes: 1,219
Rather keep Meloche.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 9:26 a.m.
#2
Thread Starter
Go Habs Go
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 10,667
Likes: 4,091
Quoting: crankshaft
Rather keep Meloche.


Thought you'd prefer Merkley and Meloche was on waivers recently, so I didn't think they were too attached?
Dec. 30, 2021 at 9:28 a.m.
#3
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 19,593
Likes: 6,733
Of course the year MTL finishes near dead last in the NHL, the top prospects aren't elite........

I think the Habs are better off , assuming they get top 2 pick, to draft best player available and hope they make my above statement look really dumb. wink

Habs need game breakers, not just more good players.
ricochetii liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 9:29 a.m.
#4
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2020
Posts: 2,686
Likes: 1,219
Quoting: ricochetii
Thought you'd prefer Merkley and Meloche was on waivers recently, so I didn't think they were too attached?


On waivers to come play with the big club. He isn't exempt. Sending Meloche and a 5th for a 4th isn't an improvement.
ricochetii liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 9:36 a.m.
#5
Thread Starter
Go Habs Go
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 10,667
Likes: 4,091
Quoting: F50marco
Of course the year MTL finishes near dead last in the NHL, the top prospects aren't elite........

I think the Habs are better off , assuming they get top 2 pick, to draft best player available and hope they make my above statement look really dumb. wink

Habs need game breakers, not just more good players.


Our track record with top 3 picks hasn't been good. Savoie is less appealing to me than the top 10 RD, but is probably the BPA. My thinking is that I'd rather trade down and get a couple shots than go off board to select a D.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 9:38 a.m.
#6
Thread Starter
Go Habs Go
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 10,667
Likes: 4,091
Quoting: crankshaft
On waivers to come play with the big club. He isn't exempt. Sending Meloche and a 5th for a 4th isn't an improvement.


We can target someone else. Meloche just seems like a candidate to move.
crankshaft liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 9:44 a.m.
#7
Avatar of the user
Joined: Jun. 2020
Posts: 2,686
Likes: 1,219
Quoting: ricochetii
We can target someone else. Meloche just seems like a candidate to move.


I mean he isn't great but Merkley isn't ready for full time NHL duties, he needs to keep getting top pair minutes with the Cuda. Meloche is steady but doesn't have much upside - good call up player, not flashy, not aggressive, just basic defense.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 9:48 a.m.
#8
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 19,593
Likes: 6,733
Quoting: ricochetii
Our track record with top 3 picks hasn't been good. Savoie is less appealing to me than the top 10 RD, but is probably the BPA. My thinking is that I'd rather trade down and get a couple shots than go off board to select a D.


Jiricek is definitely interesting but im not sure hes a top pairing dman. Him and Nemec are the two best dmen in the draft but neither scream stud to me. Geekie's numbers are inflated on that Wpg team also. Hes good but I don't think elite. Could be another Michael Rasmussen.

This draft man.................. the D aren't superstar potential, the forwards aren't superstar potential IMO, its a crap shoot. Maybe someone will be the next star but its not nearly as clear as in previous years.

Maybe getting two kicks at the can is better than just the one high end pick but if Habs don't generate a stud in those picks and Wright or Savoie go on to be solid players, MTL might as well just fold up shop. Im done with Habs drafting. Trade every pick every year for ready now talent. IIts probably work out for them better..
ricochetii liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 10:31 a.m.
#9
Nah.
Avatar of the user
Joined: Sep. 2020
Posts: 4,472
Likes: 4,353
Unless MTL picks #1 OA, and they are high on Shane Wright, I really don’t see CBJ trading up like that. Two top ten picks versus #2 and, what, a pick in the mid to late twenties?
Dec. 30, 2021 at 12:08 p.m.
#10
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2020
Posts: 11,203
Likes: 4,659
Quoting: ricochetii
Thought you'd prefer Merkley and Meloche was on waivers recently, so I didn't think they were too attached?


Meloche is a 7th/8th D man on most teams, Including ours. But to give up a decent low level D man to move up what 7-8 spots in the 4th round seems silly.
not a horrible trade but Meloche is a useful piece for our depth so thanks but we would have to pass.
ricochetii liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 12:15 p.m.
#11
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2020
Posts: 11,203
Likes: 4,659
Quoting: dopplsan
Unless MTL picks #1 OA, and they are high on Shane Wright, I really don’t see CBJ trading up like that. Two top ten picks versus #2 and, what, a pick in the mid to late twenties?


I get what your saying but this is something that happens all the time in the NHL.
do the CBJ need 1 premier prospect to get them into contention or 2 really good ones? how is your Prospect depth? if CBJ have solid prospect depth moving up is smart if they are thin this would not be wise.
if CBJ need that 1 potential elite prospect over 2 that could be really good pieces this is smart, also what is the drop-off from the top 5 to the 8-12 picks?
lots to think about but it isn't a bad deal.
the other thing to think about is what CBJ need in the draft vs the depth at those positions, for instance there is a lot of higher caliber wingers in the draft but the top 4 of the top 5 C will be gone by the 8-9 pick. and if you badly need D help specifically RHD help there are 2 good ones but the rest fall into that middle to late 1st projections.
ricochetii liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 12:19 p.m.
#12
PittsburghModelMyAss
Avatar of the user
Joined: Aug. 2020
Posts: 3,372
Likes: 1,405
Quoting: F50marco
Jiricek is definitely interesting but im not sure hes a top pairing dman. Him and Nemec are the two best dmen in the draft but neither scream stud to me. Geekie's numbers are inflated on that Wpg team also. Hes good but I don't think elite. Could be another Michael Rasmussen.

This draft man.................. the D aren't superstar potential, the forwards aren't superstar potential IMO, its a crap shoot. Maybe someone will be the next star but its not nearly as clear as in previous years.

Maybe getting two kicks at the can is better than just the one high end pick but if Habs don't generate a stud in those picks and Wright or Savoie go on to be solid players, MTL might as well just fold up shop. Im done with Habs drafting. Trade every pick every year for ready now talent. IIts probably work out for them better..


there's nothing wrong with drafting Savoie or Kemell or Slafkovski or Lambert or Yurov or Miroshnichenko and just being bad again next year. The problem with the habs is they always think the guys they are drafting are ready right away to make an impact at the nhl level.
F50marco and Rob32sjsharks liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 12:26 p.m.
#13
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 19,593
Likes: 6,733
Quoting: BigBadBurke
there's nothing wrong with drafting Savoie or Kemell or Slafkovski or Lambert or Yurov or Miroshnichenko and just being bad again next year. The problem with the habs is they always think the guys they are drafting are ready right away to make an impact at the nhl level.


Very true. I surely hope Gorton isn't looking at this year as the "ok this was our rebuild year, next year we go back to competing again" type thing....
BigBadBurke liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 12:27 p.m.
#14
PittsburghModelMyAss
Avatar of the user
Joined: Aug. 2020
Posts: 3,372
Likes: 1,405
Quoting: F50marco
Very true. I surely hope Gorton isn't looking at this year as the "ok this was our rebuild year, next year we go back to competing again" type thing....


That wld be a classic Berge move. I have to believe Gorton has a better grasp on reality. I must
F50marco liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
#15
Avatar of the user
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 19,593
Likes: 6,733
Quoting: BigBadBurke
That wld be a classic Berge move. I have to believe Gorton has a better grasp on reality. I must


God I hope so. squinty smile
Dec. 30, 2021 at 2:08 p.m.
#16
Thread Starter
Go Habs Go
Avatar of the user
Joined: Mar. 2017
Posts: 10,667
Likes: 4,091
Quoting: F50marco
Jiricek is definitely interesting but im not sure hes a top pairing dman. Him and Nemec are the two best dmen in the draft but neither scream stud to me. Geekie's numbers are inflated on that Wpg team also. Hes good but I don't think elite. Could be another Michael Rasmussen.

This draft man.................. the D aren't superstar potential, the forwards aren't superstar potential IMO, its a crap shoot. Maybe someone will be the next star but its not nearly as clear as in previous years.

Maybe getting two kicks at the can is better than just the one high end pick but if Habs don't generate a stud in those picks and Wright or Savoie go on to be solid players, MTL might as well just fold up shop. Im done with Habs drafting. Trade every pick every year for ready now talent. IIts probably work out for them better..


It's not a bad strategy if you are bad at drafting. Anaheim and Nashville have been among the better teams for developing defensemen for example, so I'd be more inclined to trade for theirs than waste picks on our own development system.

I'm taking Wright if possible, but beyond that I think this draft is a crap shoot. Too many development issues due to covid and not enough scouting to be confident. More picks is the way to go, imo.
Quoting: dopplsan
Unless MTL picks #1 OA, and they are high on Shane Wright, I really don’t see CBJ trading up like that. Two top ten picks versus #2 and, what, a pick in the mid to late twenties?


Depends how Columbus views Savoie. He could be a high end offensive talent and less of a risk than other options drafted later. The safest bets will be off the board before they select and teams are more likely to draft by need I think. The BPA is less certain once you get outside the top 5.
F50marco liked this.
Dec. 30, 2021 at 4:02 p.m.
#17
Avatar of the user
Joined: Apr. 2020
Posts: 11,203
Likes: 4,659
Edited Dec. 30, 2021 at 5:44 p.m.
Quoting: BigBadBurke
there's nothing wrong with drafting Savoie or Kemell or Slafkovski or Lambert or Yurov or Miroshnichenko and just being bad again next year. The problem with the habs is they always think the guys they are drafting are ready right away to make an impact at the nhl level.


very true.
But lots of teams do this too,
the sharks would do this with their young D prospects time and time again, Merkley is the first one they have actually taken the time and efort to work with him and let him mature into a guy before forcing him into the NHL lineup.

Montreal does have one of the most demanding fan bases that get upset if the team isn't turning things around faster, and when prospects take longer to mature.
BigBadBurke liked this.
 
Reply
To create a post please Login or Register
Question:
Options:
Add Option
Submit Poll