Roast ?

actually doesn't seem too far fetched but who knows... I mean getting for sure NHL players that are still young and still getting a 1st rounder seems fair to me but idk what NJ's needs are

Easily roastable, Exo. (IMO)

Hmm potential top tier player like liljegren/ Rasmussen / Tippett or Kruger,Panik, Kempny and a prospect like Josh Norris.

For me that's easy. I take the potential star every time. Especially if your Jersey who desperately needs a star player more than anything. This isn't a slap in the face to Kruger, Kempny or Panik but lets be realistic here. If they really want Panik they could get him for two 2nd round picks. Kruger has almost no value in trade as he is likely the guy Vegas takes in the draft. Even if he isn't, the Hawks are making it known that he is readily available to they can use the cap space. Kempny is still a 6-7 dman at best right now. That 1st round pick may be 31st overall if the Hawks win it all.

This is a classic attempt at offering quantity over quality. That isn't to say that the players you mentioned are not quality players. They're just not the type of quality a team expects back if they are trading a potential stud prospect.

1st thanks for contributing!

Totally understand. The #5/#6 is definitely a top tier talent. To me, it's just harder to develop talent when the pieces are them aren't that good. How many 1st round picks does AZ need before they contend? EDM needed (4) first overall picks until they were graced by god with McDavid. Yet, late 1st round picks develop into very solid NHL players all the time. Babcock did a great job by keeping veterans around. Having JVR/Kadri/etc... helped out in a ton of different ways.

Take a moment to go back and look at only the 5th and 6th draft pick from 2013 and earlier. Anything after 2013 and it's just not enough time to tell. It's about 50/50 on which package you'd rather have.

that's why I didn't roast you because the guys who made the NHL already are definite while that #5 pick maybe be a bust like EDM figured out in Yakupov in three years or simply a 2C instead of superstar like RNH. NJ got their star player by trading for Hall. They should move Schneider for some prospects/future stars that could really help them.

BTW by "roast" I actually just meant critique. I was just paraphrasing your title a little.

Can't go back and look only at 5th and 6th overall picks. If that was the case teams could put 2+2 together and realize that the X pick is the one that yields the best prospect every year and trade for that one. It doesn't always work like that. It's simply odds. The closer you are to the 1st round pick, the better your odds of getting that stud is. Obviously development is nearly as important as draft position.

Sure some of those 5-7 picks are garbage. Some of them aren't though. Anyone with those picks is betting that they'll land "that" player. It only takes winning it once for it to be the smartest move ever. Ask MTL if getting the 5th overall pick in 2005 wasn't one of the most important things to happen to them in the past 20 years. A complete game changer for them.

So I come back to my original point. Does adding Kruger, Panik, Kempny and a prospect like Josh Norris, make the Devils a contender next year or any year in the future? Yeah maybe gives them a 10-15% chance at being a better team and maybe making the playoffs. Does picking 5th and potentially landing a super-stud give better odds for them in the future? Absolutely. It may not if that player is a bust but its a gamble you have to take. Its a gamble your willing to take by trading away all those assets to get it right?

If its my money, I'm keeping the 5-7 pick. But I'll gladly trade you two 2nd rounders for Panik, make a side deal with Vegas to acquire Kruger for a B prospect and a 3rd rounder, scout Europe and sign a decent young player and draft my 5th overall pick and pray to god its the "one". Look at the cost of moving up a couple spots in the draft in the 1st round. To go from 31st to 5th is going to cost a heck of a lot and more than Panik, Kruger and Kempny to do. (IMO)

Then, we haven't even got to the point that this is a lottery pick. They could move up in the draft and get one of the consensus sure things in Hischier or Patrick.



Yup, cherry pick Edmonton as the average? What about the 5-7 picks that actually became studs:

2005: Carey Price 5th
2006: Phil Kessel 5th
2007: Voracek 7th
2008: nothing special
2009: Oliver Ekman-Larsson 6th
2010: Jeff Skinner 7th
2011: Scheifele 7th
2012: Lindholm 6th
2013: Monahan 6th

So yeah you know what NJ needs? A 3rd line shutdown center, a decent 2nd line winger, a 6-7 dman and a late 1st round pick. Not a chance at any of the people mentioned above. Nope

I love the discussion and we've discussed enough to know it isn't a roast.

I understand where you're coming from completely. I did an analysis about a week ago that showed in last years draft it took a 3rd rounder to move up literally 1 spot in the 1st round. I get that too. I also agree with the (2) 2nds for panic...as long as they're low 2nds... This isn't your first rodeo. It's certainly a do or die scenario. I think the tables can be turned about the cherry picking when you pick specific players from drafts and include the 7th...which also includes a bunch more irrelevant players. I hear you're point. It's definitely valid. One last thing. Jeff Skinner? I agree he's a quality player. He has 19 points more than Panik isn't physical, costs more...oh you get a 1st round pick, Shutdown 3C and a toss up in Kempny. I'd still take this package over Jeff Skinner........unless ALL YOU NEED is 1 single LWer. If you need a lot of pieces...heart beat.

Using EDM is a trash source for your contention of bust players. If anyone follows the NBA, the same could be said about Valdi Divac and the Sacramento Kings.

ROASTED TOASTED AND DONE.
nah its an ok move just idk if I was the hawks to jump up in a weak draft. I mean 5 prob gonna be a decent guy but not a star by any means.

Or them 76ers? With 3 or 4 1st overall picks of their own.