We arent getting Mccann that ship has sailed and nelson isnt what we need but I doubt the isalnder move him anyway

if Nelson had a much shorter contract he'd be a decent scoring depth add, but not with what he's paid until he's 34. He's not very good in his own end and the leafs probably get better value out of just playing robertson in that spot

nelson is very solid defensively and on the PK, what are you talking about?

this is the first year he's been good defensivly and he's getting heavy offensive zone starts. And being good defensivly at 5v5 and on the PK are very different things, and even then his PK metrics are simply 'ok' and not good or great

so being good defensively at 5v5 and okay on the PK = “not very good in his own end”? i mean, sure? his defense has been solid since the beginning of his career, last year was an off year defensively and the doug weight year was a disaster defensively for everyone, but his defensive metrics are pretty much all very solid outside of that.

Seattle wouldn't trade McCann, he's their top scorer

being good one year because you are getting sheltered like crazy and simply kinda ok on the pk mean that yes, over his career he has not been very good in his own end. Outside this season he hasnt had a good defensive metrics year since 2015

his 5v5 xGA/60’s been league average or higher most years he’s been in the league. his isolated impacts are pretty good. not saying he’s selke level or anything but dude’s not a liability by any stretch. regardless of any of this, the islanders aren’t retaining salary on him anyway, especially not for this package.

that's why i didnt say liability, i said not very good. He isnt very good, he also isnt very bad. He's a 30 year old player who is past prime with 4 years left on his deal at a significant hunk of cash even after the islanders retain 1/3rd. Even if he was worth it now, he's not worth it for the leafs in the upcoming years and the leafs arnt giving up that package for him

They should if they get a good offer for him - not saying it is or isn’t this offer. He’s a good complimentary piece on a contender so if somebody is willing to pony up good futures for him SEA should be all in on that. Not like they’re anywhere close to contending.

Everything you've said here is not true, 3 of the last 4 seasons Nelson has been well above average in his own end by every defensive metric. I'm sure you know that Hockey viz and RAPM isolate for zone starts but you're still choosing to spew BS. Zone starts don't even matter and Nelson's QOC is in the 76th percentile anyways.

Robertson isn't even close to ready for the NHL and there's no guarantee he's even becomes a useful player. Nelson would be tied for 2nd on the leafs in goals despite playing less games than every top 6 F.

Better value is the key phrase. Value is very important to cap teams
30 year olds with term and big money have less than elc guys

Nelson provides excess value on his contract , he's a 6.5-7 mill dollar player , if the isles chose to move him he'd get at least a 1st rd pick in return. It doesn't matter if he's 30 YO, his contract expires when he's 33 and his game isn't predicated on strength that regress quickly.

Players his age decline rapidly at any moment and the leafs can fit three Robertsons and more for his cost. Not to mention bailey is shoot like 5% higher than his career average and he'll regress from that.
It just doesnt make sense for Toronto

That is not true, it depends on the style of play. You keep mentioning Robertson when there's a higher chance he'll bust then play 100 games in the NHL. So Nelson will regress from being on a 40+ G. pace to a 30+ G pace, that doesn't really matter. Any team that wants Nelson would have to give up a 1st rd pick.

And what about the year after that? Or after that? The contract is the issue, not the player

Even if you factor in regression he will at worst be worth his contract. He's worth more than 6 mill right now.

Not to the leafs he isnt, because he's got 6 mill the next 3 years

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

Why to both