He's asking questions and throwing ideas out so that anyone who wants can contribute can contribute. F50Marco has been a user here for a pretty long time. So he didn't jump into this right away....That doesn't make his opinons and ideas any less than someone who's been here since day 1. He's an active user, something this game needs to be successful. Why do you constantly challenge him?

Its actually a great idea Nobodycares! Not even joking either. Problem is I lose interest in what you say when you start making fun of people and getting so defensive. I got a great idea too, how about you stop portraying me as some sort of protagonist and actually try to discuss your ideas and opinions without having Banks have to jump in and remind you that your being rude?

I've on more then one occasion made attempts to bring this back to friendly discussion level but good ol' NobodyCares has to try and make me feel bad for wanting to have discussions on how to improve the game so that we all can enjoy it as much as possible? Thanks..... Now I'm supposed to take your opinions seriously?????

I've already said enough is enough, there's no beef between us and no reason to be defensive anymore either. If you don't like me posing questions and starting discussions, then maybe a FORUM isn't the right place for you. I'm going to continue to try and add positive input where I can and pose questions for others to potentially add positive input too. Either get on board with it or be left behind.

Why don't we all just have a vote on a poll as to if this guy F50Marco should be the co commissioner, because he's just going to act like it anyways. Lets do a poll and if he gets more votes than richochetti or a vote of we don't need a co commissioner he can ramble on like this as much as he wants and try to organize everyone. If he's the co-commisoner I'll be more apt to listen to what he's saying, but he can't just ask questions without contributing anything of substance. Thats just low level stuff. I don't think asking a question about a problem without adding anything to it just creates anxiety in people, it just brings them down. If you come up with a problem, you offer a solution no matter how foolish it is, or you're not contributing.

Do you not understand what the word "discussion" means?

You're clearly reading what you want to read and making stuff up dude. I mean here are two examples from his main post:




He makes a point right here on his idea for expansion draft. Having the date of it the actual date or a week before. So what do you mean he's just asking questions without any solutions?





Once again, he throws a lot his idea to just have it closer to the actual date. So what are you reading? He's not bringing up these topics and leaving it to everyone else to figure out.

1. Vegas Negotiations
Vegas gets an exclusive 48 hour window to attempt to sign a team's unprotected free agents.
The proposal is that we give them 1 shot to make a bid on each player they are interested in.
The home team can either match and lock in an early bid for that player, or they can let Vegas take him.

2. Expansion draft is going to be one of the easier things to manage. We just have to make sure the 20/30, minimum requirements of each position are filled, and 1 player is selected from every team. Most of that falls to Vegas themselves. We just have to make sure there are no errors along the way.

3. Some people want to do all the rounds, some want to submit preference lists for if they aren't here at the right time to select, some want to do autoselect, etc. Once we have the details figured out, actually doing it will be a little easier. A thread is a little clunky for that purpose, so I'd probably suggest a spreadsheet for that as well. (No, I don't have an obsession with spreadsheets. :P It's just the most available and accessible method to organize these things and they allow for a little bid of coding to make things simpler.)

4. UFA rights, I believe everyone is on board(?), that the owner of the player's rights gets to match the highest offer and "win" that player if they choose.
I would add that a team must submit at least an opening bid on that player to retain that right. (Some of those opening bids would come from matching Vegas free agent signing attempts)
My idea is that once a player's auction is over. The home team gets one last crack. If they beat the highest offer on the table, they sign that player instead of the winner. That's a significant advantage, and makes player rights worth enough to merit owning them.

Hahahahahhaha OMG nobodycares!

For the love of god, what are you doing? Stahp!

Sorry, forgot to address this part, was sidetracked.

Just like any game, you tend to end up with casual and hardcore players. Casual players tend to waiver faster and be rather sporadic in activity.
I'm not suggesting we rush headfirst into things, but that we don't have to mirror the real life timelines. Regardless, I think we'll be deep enough into the playoffs by the time we get to UFA bidding that a performance based influence can still be taken into account there. For the most part, decisions that are made now aren't going to be drastically affecting who to trade/not trade (imho). I don't see enough of a reason to delay our schedule on those grounds. The delays that should happen are those necessary to be properly prepared to execute plans and the Entry Draft which we have already decided is based on the real life lottery.

The real playoffs, protected lists, expansion draft, and free agency, don't impact our decisions here, as they will differ from the real life teams (for the most part) regardless of whether we wait or not.

I'm off this page, I'm just a magnet for no-no's! GL HF everyone. I'll leave it to you big wigs to set everything up.

Here is my proposed Idea for the actual draft:

NHL Entry Draft 2017

1.) We do it one week before the actual NHL entry draft. Marco brought up a great point. Why do it so much earlier? I see his point on wanting to just get it done b/c people want the excitement and something to do. Maybe people can use the extra time to do the research on players. We want this as realistic as possible right? If you do it a week before, that gives everyone ample time to do their research and prepare for it.

2.) Full 7 rounds. Part of the fun of the draft is doing the research and scouting and trying to find the next guy. Not all superstars come from the early part of the draft. The ones who want to do the research and 'scout' are the ones who will find the potential hidden gems in the later rounds. And also, people are trading later round picks for pieces and such. It should be a full draft so everyone can use the picks they acquired.

3.) A "Trade Freeze" 3 days prior to the draft. This will probably be controversial as real NHL teams can make trades during the draft. My way of thinking is that you make all the trades you want before it starts, but eventually we're going to need to take a step back and see which teams have changed draft picks, moved out of rounds, etc. etc. Because we will need to set the order of picks. Even if the "freeze" is lifted once the draft starts, I think it would be beneficial to at least freeze everyone for a little bit of time before it starts.

4.) I prefer an official entry draft thread be set up by either a commisioner, or someone who is in charge of it. Maybe we could elect someone to be the designated Draft person. The one who sets it up and such and edits the main post with team picks. With this every team will need to provide a list of their owned draft picks in either a designated thread for it, or their own team threads. From there, someone is going to have to do the dirty work and set up the Round 1-7 with the right teams.

5.) Teams will be designated a certain amount of time for picks. After they make the selection, they post it in the actual draft thread, and will need to let the team behind them know they're up. They can do this in the team's main GM thread. We would have to figure out a way to auto-select if someone misses though.

These are a few ideas I have for it. But would love some feedback on what people like, don't like, etc.

I like it.

Re: inactive GMs, this is something we need to get a consensus on soon. Does everyone like the proposal I made earlier in this thread? We would have to move expansion back a week, but it seems that the two inactives are a issue that needs to be addressed soon.

I really think the expansion draft should be done closer to the actual expansion draft.

I like the draft setup you have there. I disagree with the trade freeze pre entry draft tho. A expansion draft roster freeze is what we should do but trading picks at the entry draft is part of the fun of it.

I'd be ok with that, but can we get most other GMs to agree to that? That's the issue I see here. How far back can we push back the expansion draft and get a majority of GMs to agree to it?

Instead of having expansion Apr 25th, I would be happy to push the date into May at some point... Like May 10-24th range

Expansion draft May 15, deadline for inactive GMs to return May 1, or should the inactive GM cutoff date still be April 25?

My thing with the the trade freeze would be a way of making it a bit easier on whoever ends up being in charge of it. Once that person sets the order it could be difficult if you have the order changing constantly still. That's my main reason for a trade freeze proposal for the draft. But if people are on top of their game, it wouldn't be needed. Just an idea. I'm not opposed to both drafts having a trade freeze period.

1 - Ok got it now. Makes sense to me. If rangersfan is okay with it, I think its a good idea. This really needs to be a discussion with Phillyjabroni more than anything too.

2 - What happens when a GM doesn't submit the protection list in time? What if multiple GM's don't. Are we prepared to give LV 10 1st round picks if it comes to that? The requirements are pretty easy to implement as Capfriendly has a useful tool anyone can use. So the onus should really be on the GM.

3 - I'm all for spreadsheets but I can see how "some " people might think that is too much. Banks/Jarvis, im curious but would Capfriendly be able to incorporate an Entry draft selection tool? It would be just compiling information from other sites essentially. Storing it in and presenting it in a format similar to the "active player" listing. Would that be something that could happen?

4 - Yeah this is the trickiest one to do but I agree with the guy that thinks Im the devil, making it too complicated is not a good idea. Its got to be something even casual fans can understand. Original rights teams gets to match any offer plus 100K as the benefit of owning the rights. Total dollar value gets the tie breaker. Each team is done alphabetically. Bidding is where Im confused. How do we do a silent auction?



I need to elaborate a bit. Im NOT suggesting doing the events at the EXACT time as the real thing. All I'm saying is that we postpone the events of the expansion draft, Entry draft, UFA to later like maybe late May or at the very least the Stanley cup finals round. At that point, pretty much all the variables have been set. Once we have all the rules agreed upon and approved by rangersandislesfan, then setting dates can happen. You're talking about confirming and making rules official after we've already set dates for these things. IMO we're doing this backwards. Let's make sure everything is hashed out first then set the dates. Whether they are earlier like proposed or later like I mentioned. we aren't in any rush. We have tons of time! Its still only April!

As for your last sentence. I disagree wholeheartedly. I think real life actions will drastically affect peoples perceptions in our game. The over exaggerated example I use is injuries/Illness. What if Crosby gets a concussion in the finals this year and misses an entire year of hockey again in real life? Are you willing to trade me five 1st round picks for Crosby now? Of course not, the real world is our basis for our actions. You want Crosby because he is one of the best scorers in the league and scored 40+ goals this year in real life. You won't want Crosby in our game if he's injured and possibly going to retire as a result.

Obviously that is an exaggeration and I understand that waiting for the playoffs to be over is maybe too long of time and not needed but I guarantee you right now a player that was going to be exposed to expansion or not be resigned or whatever was traded away in our game and is going to be a huge contributor to his team and get resigned for huge money that had the GM in the game had the chance to wait longer before making a decision on, now would of.

I agree with everything you just said. From start to finish.

That's just my opinion though.

This is only an issue because we the draft is coming soon. If it wasn't so early, we'd have a ton of time to give inactive GM's to come on and warn them that inactivity means their assistant GM will take over.

A lot of the issues I'm "complaining" about are only because conflicting positions. Events of the game and inactivity of GM's/not all rules are set up yet.

Agreed again. Everyone is all gung-ho about making trades and picks but having rangersandislesfan regulate very single little detail is a DAUNTING task! For example I warned people a week ago. We are going to have 1 draft pick that two people think they have. Someone is going to get pissed when they find out they shouldn't of had it. Which is one of the many reasons why I pushed for having more then one person at the helm with rangersandislesfan to keep track of everything and make sure there was no errors and mistakes happening that could potentially ruin the game for some people.

Everyone please remember, as it stands one guy is in charge of this entire thing! It will be a daunting task to keep up to par and we need to help in our own ways to keep it from falling off the tracks. Making things easy and giving enough time for things to be done in an orderly fashion is a must. IMO

You're preaching to the choir, my friend. Has RangersandIslesFan commented at all about possibly getting some help? I think adding another set of eyes is necessary.

Ok I see what you're saying. We can consider the idea and measure how well it's received later.

Let's worry about dates once everything is ready, rather than end up having to bump again.



If would be more similar to the expansion tool, and would have to track multiple users interacting with the same list, as well as providing appropriate permissions to users. A lot of overhead that doesn't do much for us right now, but might be worthwhile to have in the future. I don't mean to speak for them though, only to express that it isn't quite that simple.



No, I didn't consider something that extreme. I was only thinking of scoring slumps or MVP performances changing perspectives. Not sure how I feel about that to be honest.