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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
11	$81,500,000	$42,316,842	$0	$0	$39,183,158

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Dumoulin, Brian $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Marino, John $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD UFA - 5	Jarry, Tristan $3,500,000$3,500,000 G UFA - 1
Pettersson, Marcus $4,025,175$4,025,175 LD UFA - 3	Ruhwedel, Chad $800,000$800,000 RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Zucker, Jason $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1

Mar. 11, 2022 at 10:22 a.m.

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We do not. We have Valimaki and Mackey in the AHL

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Mar. 11, 2022 at 10:24 a.m.

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Quoting: Gmonwy

We do not. We have Valimaki and Mackey in the AHL

Ok cool. So you guys aren't planning on keeping Zadorov then?

Mar. 11, 2022 at 10:27 a.m.

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Ok cool. So you guys aren't planning on keeping Zadorov then?

IDK would be nice to have him and Gudbranson on a cheaper deal but it might not happen to let young guys play

Mar. 11, 2022 at 10:29 a.m.

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Quoting: Gmonwy

IDK would be nice to have him and Gudbranson on a cheaper deal but it might not happen to let young guys play

You probably have a good chance of keeping Gudbranson on a cheap contract, but Zadorov's physical game ups his price regardless of his actual ability. I figured Matheson/Gudbranson would a dynamite combo for you guys. I really don't want to move Matheson or Pettersson at this point, but the Pens are in a tough spot and need to free up cash.

Mar. 11, 2022 at 11:07 a.m.

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Zadorov will go to market, I do think the Flames try keep Gudbranson on the right side but that 3LD could be filled by Valimaki hopefully, Mackey desperately or they find a veteran making less than Zadorov to bring in until one of those two guys steals the spot. I think coming out of training camp unless the Flames see a major improvement from Valimaki they will have a guy they sign late in the off season for 800K - 1.5M while Mackey and Valimaki figure it out. If Valimaki doesn't break camp with the team next year I think he's finally trade bait.

Dube is certainly a moveable piece but I think you'd be looking at a Sam Bennett like trade instead that gives Calgary the ability to draft or develop the assets the way that they would like to.

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Mar. 11, 2022 at 11:22 a.m.

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Quoting: yycofred

Zadorov will go to market, I do think the Flames try keep Gudbranson on the right side but that 3LD could be filled by Valimaki hopefully, Mackey desperately or they find a veteran making less than Zadorov to bring in until one of those two guys steals the spot. I think coming out of training camp unless the Flames see a major improvement from Valimaki they will have a guy they sign late in the off season for 800K - 1.5M while Mackey and Valimaki figure it out. If Valimaki doesn't break camp with the team next year I think he's finally trade bait.

Dube is certainly a moveable piece but I think you'd be looking at a Sam Bennett like trade instead that gives Calgary the ability to draft or develop the assets the way that they would like to.

Fair enough, but to elaborate on something you said and I ask this because it's not like the Flames are rebuilding, they're a legit contender now, so do you really think they'd limp in with a minor signing on the 3rd pair? I'm not saying you can't find a way to get an effective 3rd pairing dman at that price, but if they had the opportunity to add someone of quality, not even necessarily Matheson, you don't think they'd take it so they can still be very competitive?

Mar. 11, 2022 at 11:30 a.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Fair enough, but to elaborate on something you said and I ask this because it's not like the Flames are rebuilding, they're a legit contender now, so do you really think they'd limp in with a minor signing on the 3rd pair? I'm not saying you can't find a way to get an effective 3rd pairing dman at that price, but if they had the opportunity to add someone of quality, not even necessarily Matheson, you don't think they'd take it so they can still be very competitive?

I am a little concerned about that as well because Kylington has been good but severely sheltered by Tanev, I worry about Tanev regressing and Kylington showing more warts than he already has this year, still a turnover machine, can outskate his problems but if his D zone responsibilities aren't covered by Tanev he's in a lot of trouble. Flames are primed for a signing like Ian Cole, Hagg, Beaulieu, Leddy, I do wonder about a Giordano reunion if the price is right, I think a lot of Flames fans really really want Valimaki to take that step but it's just so unsure, plus Sutter's kid has a running feud with Valimaki, you obviously assume that doesn't play into anything but they're all human! If I was the GM which I am so very far from I would go out and get Nate Beaulieu this year at the deadline and extend him in the off season if you know Zadorov wants more than you're willing to give him.

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Mar. 11, 2022 at 11:33 a.m.

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Quoting: yycofred

I am a little concerned about that as well because Kylington has been good but severely sheltered by Tanev, I worry about Tanev regressing and Kylington showing more warts than he already has this year, still a turnover machine, can outskate his problems but if his D zone responsibilities aren't covered by Tanev he's in a lot of trouble. Flames are primed for a signing like Ian Cole, Hagg, Beaulieu, Leddy, I do wonder about a Giordano reunion if the price is right, I think a lot of Flames fans really really want Valimaki to take that step but it's just so unsure, plus Sutter's kid has a running feud with Valimaki, you obviously assume that doesn't play into anything but they're all human! If I was the GM which I am so very far from I would go out and get Nate Beaulieu this year at the deadline and extend him in the off season if you know Zadorov wants more than you're willing to give him.

I get that. I have to think CGY is going to a little aggressive this off-season in filling in their holes, especially if they go deep in the playoffs. Matheson may not make complete sense for you guys, but I do think spending more on a 3rd pairing guy who can jump into a 2nd pair role is a vital hedge they should take.

Mar. 11, 2022 at 12:06 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

I get that. I have to think CGY is going to a little aggressive this off-season in filling in their holes, especially if they go deep in the playoffs. Matheson may not make complete sense for you guys, but I do think spending more on a 3rd pairing guy who can jump into a 2nd pair role is a vital hedge they should take.

I don't disagree, it's the last year of Sutter and Treliving's contract I would be shocked if they didn't go all in next season. I do think that Kirk Mueller is the next head coach of the Flames and Sutter may move to a Burke like position or retire so the next two years are as wide open as a window could be.

Matheson just may be too expensive if they want to go directly the Zadorov route as they did this year in getting an expiring RFA for a year or two they could make a deal for a Mikkola, HAgue, Lauzon etc. Will be a really interesting position to watch over the off season.

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Mar. 11, 2022 at 5:05 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

I get that. I have to think CGY is going to a little aggressive this off-season in filling in their holes, especially if they go deep in the playoffs. Matheson may not make complete sense for you guys, but I do think spending more on a 3rd pairing guy who can jump into a 2nd pair role is a vital hedge they should take.

We need to sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane and Kylington this off-season. We have zero cap space for a 3rd pairing 5 million dollar player. Like none at all. Not sure why these other Flames fans are even considering this. Only way this could happen if its for Monahan or Lucic straight up, and even then Tre won't take that brutal contract term.

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Mar. 11, 2022 at 7:21 p.m.

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Quoting: NorthMan

We need to sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane and Kylington this off-season. We have zero cap space for a 3rd pairing 5 million dollar player. Like none at all. Not sure why these other Flames fans are even considering this. Only way this could happen if its for Monahan or Lucic straight up, and even then Tre won't take that brutal contract term.

Fair enough. That does complicate things lol

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Guentzel, Jake $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 3
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