If the Devils trade for Seth Jones I might pick a new team (not really but he's gotta have a top 5 worst deal in the league and has been outright bad in past years)

there is lot of north american hate and spite here i see. too much anger not much discussion. too bad its too much like reddit and twitter.

This is your first day here. It's not like those platforms. Discussions can get too heated and reason is abandoned at times, but this is a good place to talk about Hockey most of the time.

So basically you want a 1st+ for him, but are willing to admit that he is not worth what you paid for him, and want to rip someone else off now...

That is completely untrue. He is debatably a little over paid. But the BIG issue with the whole Seth jones situation is what was given up to get him. The contract is fine... Not ideal. But fine. The real issue with his contract is that we are a rebuilding team, why did a rebuilding team just sign a star dman to a huge contract with that much term? Half of his contract will be wasted on a rebuild.

there is lot of north american hate and spite here i see. too much anger not much discussion. too bad its too much like reddit and twitter.

What is confusing about your argument is you admit that Seth is a "hell of a hockey player", and he is, but you want to dump him and retain salary too. So what I see is you feel he is a good player that is overpaid, which may be true, but is it all that bad to overpay a top pair RD a little at age 27? You want to retain $1/m a year, so that implies to me that you think he is worth about $7m/year. So he makes a little more than your comfortable with, but keep in mind the position he plays (RD) and how hard it is to find really good top pair right hand D. That has to be factored in, no? Plus, is $1m per year really going to be that critical if the Hawks do a rebuild? They will probably move Kane and Toews and have a lot of young players on ELC's in the near future, so the cap shouldn't be a big factor in the near term.

maybe i try forum? friend told me this part of site is fun. Some nice people but i see lot of fighting on other page. i not give up yet.

That is completely untrue. He is debatably a little over paid. But the BIG issue with the whole Seth jones situation is what was given up to get him. The contract is fine... Not ideal. But fine. The real issue with his contract is that we are a rebuilding team, why did a rebuilding team just sign a star dman to a huge contract with that much term? Half of his contract will be wasted on a rebuild.

Thats site is full of people like that. A bunch of meat heads that just like to talk down to everyone with their bad unfounded opinions instead of discussing anything. Especially when it comes to the Hawks. Everyone has a lot of spite for CHI, it seems. Probably has something to do with all the years CHI was really good.

Wouldn't call the contract "fine". You're paying a guy in his late 20's that has sucked in two of the past three seasons (2019-22) and isn't good at defence $500k more than the best Defenseman in the world for 8 years. Additionally, he has a NMC for all of those 8 years.

Thats site is full of people like that. A bunch of meat heads that just like to talk down to everyone with their bad unfounded opinions instead of discussing anything. Especially when it comes to the Hawks. Everyone has a lot of spite for CHI, it seems. Probably has something to do with all the years CHI was really good.

Thats site is full of people like that. A bunch of meat heads that just like to talk down to everyone with their bad unfounded opinions instead of discussing anything. Especially when it comes to the Hawks. Everyone has a lot of spite for CHI, it seems. Probably has something to do with all the years CHI was really good.

I'm not ripping anyone off. I'm offering a top pair RD in his prime with some retention. Hawks paid 2 firsts and a 1st round top 10 D man to bring Jones in. That's 3 firsts to get Jones and 1 to move him out. I'm also retaining 1-1.5M because I do agree the contract is too much and he's likely overpaid by that much. It's not a ripoff.

Chicago is great city. I been twice now since coming to SJ. Love to go Longman and Eagle. Patrick Kane is best player i have seen in person tied with Erik Karlsson both player play without effort like gods.

Longman and Eagle is great! Food in CHI is great in general. I live in New Hampshire now and food in New England is pretty bad. And most of the time the things people recommend out here are garbage. I miss Chicago if only for the food.

Not a chance he's Top 10, top 20 will be difficult. I'll take each of Makar, Fox, McAvoy, Josi, Hamilton, Ekblad, Hedman, Weegar, Slavin, Theodore, Pietrangelo, Rielly, Toews, Heiskanen, Letang, Seider, Werenski, Chabot, Brodin, Muzzin and Chychrun over Jones without hesitation (no particular order). Give Jones the same deal as each of them when comparing them and Jones isn't my choice even once.

Wouldn't call the contract "fine". You're paying a guy in his late 20's that has sucked in two of the past three seasons (2019-22) and isn't good at defence $500k more than the best Defenseman in the world for 8 years. Additionally, he has a NMC for all of those 8 years.

That's just a bad take period. Isn't good at defense? LMAO Late 20s? When he was traded and got the contract he was 26, 27 now.

I'd argue several lof those names no problem. Jones is underrated based on an overpriced trade and his overpayed contract extension but that should not underrate his performance.

Seth Jones isn't exactly known for being great defensively because he isn't. With late 20's I mean that by the time that extension kicks in, Jones will be 28. That's late 20's. But yeah, poor wording by me. My bad.

Like who for example? The only ones I could somewhat understand would be Werenski, Muzzin and Brodin.

Have you been watching him this season? Watching 50 to 55 games or so this season, I would never say he's bad defensively, he's really good actually. Took 15 to 20 games at the beginning of the season to adjust to the new team, but he's been awesome since.