Kane actually helps us if he wins

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Created by: Rob32sjsharks

Team: 2022-23 San Jose Sharks

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 16, 2022

Published: Jun. 16, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Edmonton doesn't want to pay Kane 7+ mil a year, sharks want nothing to do with him, once the contract termination is overruled the sharks have to take Kane back he still has 3 year 7 mil on his deal. after scoring 35 goals in 57 games with no off ice issues teams will be interested. sharks elect to send him back to Edmonton where he was happy, sharks take on Kassian and retain 2 mil so they can afford him, and we get a 1st and a 2nd for the deal.
next we move Karlsson for Seguin solidifying our forward depth but weakening our D.
next we make a bold move and deal Meier Merkley and a 1st for Mercer and Severson, sharks take a hit offensively but gain a huge plus defensively.
Balcers, Simek, Hill, and Dahlen are all moved to give them a better chance to succeed as they no longer fit our plans.
to help fill Meier shoes we grab Marchment to add size and skill.
Draft we grad a solid D prosect in Mintyukov who has all the tools but needs to work on his D, 3-4 he is a project and will be 3-4 years before hes ready for top 4 min but could be a top pairing stud if he corrects his D concerns.
team has toughness with Marchment, Kassian, Knyzhov, Megna, Meloche.
speed with Eklund Mercer Bordeleau Labanc and Gregor
Team would be strong defensively, and offensively and if the goal-tending lives up to their potential/ expectation this would be a playoff team with the potential to make some noise.
I would expect 245/250 goals for with 235/240 against and a 46-26-10 record or 102 points.
that would have put us just ahead of Kings, knights, stars, and Pred's for the 6th seed last year.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Chmelevski, Alexander	1	$750,000
Leonard, John	1	$750,000
McGrew, Jacob	1	$750,000
Meloche, Nicolas	1	$775,000
Dahlén, Jonathan	1	$905,000
Ferraro, Mario	2	$2,750,000
Kähkönen, Kaapo	2	$2,150,000
Gregor, Noah	1	$823,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Kane, Evander		3	$7,000,000
Marchment, Mason		4	$3,550,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Mintyukov, Pavel		3	$897,000

Trades

SJS

Kassian, Zack
2022 1st round pick (EDM)
2023 2nd round pick (EDM)

EDM

Kane, Evander ($2,000,000 retained)

SJS

Seguin, Tyler

DAL

Karlsson, Erik ($1,650,000 retained)
2023 2nd round pick (EDM)

SJS

NJD

Meier, Timo
Merkley, Ryan
2022 1st round pick (EDM)

SJS

2024 5th round pick (ARI)

ARI

SJS

2022 3rd round pick (VGK)

CHI

Hill, Adin

SJS

2022 2nd round pick (SEA)

SEA

Dahlén, Jonathan
2022 4th round pick (SJS)

Buyouts

Martin Jones: $2,416,667

Retained Salary Transactions

Evander Kane: $2,000,000 (28.57%)
Erik Karlsson: $1,650,000 (16.5%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$76,871,334	$0	$482,500	$5,628,666

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Barabanov, Alexander $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2	Hertl, Tomas $6,750,000$6,750,000 C NMC UFA - 8	Mercer, Dawson $894,167$894,167 ($400,000$400K) RW, C RFA - 2
Eklund, William $894,167$894,167 LW RFA - 4	Couture, Logan $8,000,000$8,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 5	Seguin, Tyler $9,850,000$9,850,000 C, RW NMC UFA - 5
	Bordeleau, Thomas $916,667$916,667 C, LW RFA - 2	Labanc, Kevin $4,725,000$4,725,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
	Bonino, Nick $1,025,000$1,025,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Kassian, Zack $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 2
Marchment, Mason $3,550,000$3,550,000 LW, RW UFA - 4
Gregor, Noah $823,000$823,000 LW, RW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Ferraro, Mario $2,750,000$2,750,000 LD UFA - 4	Severson, Damon $4,166,666$4,166,666 RD UFA - 1	Reimer, James $2,250,000$2,250,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Knyzhov, Nikolai $850,000$850,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Burns, Brent $5,280,000$5,280,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3
Megna, Jaycob $762,500$762,500 LD UFA - 2	Meloche, Nicolas $775,000$775,000 RD UFA - 1	Kähkönen, Kaapo $2,150,000$2,150,000 G UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard $7,000,000$7,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 4
Nieto, Matt $850,000$850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Reedy, Scott $842,500$842,500 ($82,500$82K) C UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Eklund, W.		Hertl, T.		Seguin, T.
	Couture, L.		Burns, B.

Power Play 2
Marchment, M.		Mercer, D.		Labanc, K.
	Bordeleau, T.		Severson, D.

Penalty Kill 1
	Marchment, M.	Couture, L.
	Ferraro, M.	Severson, D.

Penalty Kill 2
	Gregor, N.	Bonino, N.
	Knyzhov, N.	Burns, B.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:36 p.m.

Juiceman

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I may be mistaken but I’ve never heard about being able to undo a contract termination. The Sharks hold no rights to Kane

Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:38 p.m.

Rob32sjsharks

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Quoting: Juiceman

I may be mistaken but I’ve never heard about being able to undo a contract termination. The Sharks hold no rights to Kane

https://thehockeywriters.com/oilers-could-lise-evander-kane-to-sharks/

If Kane wins the appeal he would be sharks property again, kanes goal ii would think is to lose the hearing but be awarded some compensation. if the termination is overturned however his deal would be reinstated and he would be back with the sharks.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:40 p.m.

GeauxPreds1

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Or teams could wait for Kane to get bought out and then sign him for cheaper because Kane would still be getting paid from the sharks

Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.

Rob32sjsharks

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Quoting: GeauxPreds1

Or teams could wait for Kane to get bought out and then sign him for cheaper because Kane would still be getting paid from the sharks

sharks would know he has value and not buy him out, prefer to make a deal to get something even if it means retaining some. Edmonton would be able to find a Kassian replacement for around 1 mil and that would mean Kane would only cost them 3 mil a year difference from what they already have. seems like something they would do especially if McDavid wants this.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:46 p.m.

tkecanuck341

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Neither party wants the contract to be reinstated. This is going to end like the Mike Richards' termination. Kane will get 50-70% of his remaining contract value over a term that is favorable to the Sharks' cap situation.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:52 p.m.

Rob32sjsharks

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

the difference is the Richards incident was a one time thing that forced the termination and NHL was against it this time it was due to repeat offenses and the NHL was in favor of the termination. have a strong belief either the contact is fully terminated for cause and Kane is given nothing. but to me if the contract is reinstated (and that is still a possibility) sharks could use that to make some lemonade from the lemon. honestly it's in Kane's best interest that the termination not be overruled because there are a few teams who might give him 7+ for 3-4 years if he hits FA.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:52 p.m.

GeauxPreds1

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Or teams can know that there is no way the sharks are gonna want Kane on their team so just be patient and wait for the buyout. Buyout players normally always sign way lower because they have money still coming in from their last contract

Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:52 p.m.

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Devils would not move Mercer for 1-year of Meier.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:54 p.m.

Rob32sjsharks

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Devils would not move Mercer for 1-year of Meier.

it's 2 years as Meier is still a RFA at the end of his deal and most likely you would resign him for 7-8 years anyways.
I'd swap mercer with holtz but the 1st would become a 2nd.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:55 p.m.

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Rob32sjsharks

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Quoting: GeauxPreds1

why would the sharks buy him out though? he is worth his contract! sharks wont hurt their cap now and in the future and help other teams out of spite, they would keep him and work on mending the fence in hopes a team gets desperate and offers a fair value.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:56 p.m.

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Everyone knows SJ wants nothing to do with Kane. GMs aren’t giving value knowing SJs position.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Bill Daly came out in support of the Richards' termination and settlement and said that realistically the player could have gotten nothing. GMs didn't like it because it essentially gave the Kings a free pass out of their cap woes at the time.

An arbiter isn't in the business of awarding an outcome that neither party wants. They listen to both parties asks, and settle somewhere in the middle. Kane wants 100% of the money he is owed, but wants to remain a UFA. San Jose wants to be rid of his contract without any cap ramifications or having to pay anything. Both sides agree the player should be a UFA this summer. The only thing left to argue about is how much money Kane will get from San Jose.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:57 p.m.

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Very good job! I hope this works for the Oilers. Kane is exactly what we needed this season, the problem is if we sign him we're gonna be recreating the depth holes we just fixed. We may not need a replacement for Kassian if Kane comes because Niemelainen could easily be one of the best hitters in the league, but he needs to improve on his mobility. I hope he did.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 5:59 p.m.

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

reasonable but if the party (Kane) violated clauses in his contract and NHL players conduct policy like he did he might have no choice but to rule in favor of the sharks.
we will see this is just one hypothetical outcome to consider.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 6:01 p.m.

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Quoting: SupremeOverlord14

By replacement I mean a body to fill his position in the 23 man roster, could be an ELC, a player already on the team, or a FA signing.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 6:03 p.m.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

So did Richards. There's no way the NHLPA will allow the termination to stand without compensation because it will set a precedent to allow future terminations.

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Jun. 16, 2022 at 6:35 p.m.

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

So did Richards. There's no way the NHLPA will allow the termination to stand without compensation because it will set a precedent to allow future terminations.

I can see that but if their is cause then they might not have a say. I honestly think they filed the appeal for this very reason with little to no expectation of it being ruled in their favor.
they HAVE to do something but i don't think Kane has much room to stand after this whole ordeal.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 6:38 p.m.

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Rob32sjsharks

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Everyone knows SJ wants nothing to do with Kane. GMs aren’t giving value knowing SJs position.

i understand, but a guy who just scored 35 goals in 57 games and would be had for only 3 years 7 mil a year is a high value. on the open market I could see Kane getting 4-5 years 8+ if a team is desperate for scoring.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Kane may think he will get that much on the market but I dont see a team giving up that much. They may do a year at 8 million. maybe. GMs are going to GM but I dont see it.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 6:42 p.m.

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Kane may think he will get that much on the market but I dont see a team giving up that much. They may do a year at 8 million. maybe. GMs are going to GM but I dont see it.

Ive seen crazier things, but i don't see a chance on the open market where 3 years 7 mil is the ceiling for a guy who was on a 50+ goal pace the year before.
regardless of his off ice issues.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 6:51 p.m.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Ive seen crazier things, but i don't see a chance on the open market where 3 years 7 mil is the ceiling for a guy who was on a 50+ goal pace the year before.
regardless of his off ice issues.

i dont see this as a good move for SJ anyways. Yea y'all get a 1st and a 2nd but you are having to retain for 3 years and take on a bad Kassian deal. Y'all need to compete or tear it down. this move just makes y'all hang in the mushy middle.

The Canes would probably take Kane with no retention if you are moving him for a little. Give you Gardiner and something small. Buy out and Gardiner and still have more cap space.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 6:55 p.m.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

In a vacuum maybe, but that's not what's happening here. Like it or not, this issue has grown beyond just Evander Kane's contract. If they're allowed to terminate contracts with no repercussions, then other GMs are going to try to do the same in the future when a player repeatedly shows up late for practice.

If you sign the contract, you're stuck with it until it ends. Short of a player being convicted of a felony and not being available to play because they're in prison or got deported, the contract is guaranteed. If you want to be rid of it, trade it or buy it out.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 6:56 p.m.

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Quoting: ecupirate07

I don't know, I like the lineup i posted above. I feel that lineup could easily challenge for a playoff spot, and we do have one of the deeper prospect pools in hockey (ranked 7th right now) and that will slowly filter into the lineup adding more youth and skill plus with a deep prospect pool and almost all our pics we could trade for players we need or add to move salary as needed.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 7:03 p.m.

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Quoting: tkecanuck341

except every contract has stipulations that allows the ownership to terminate the deal. you can always argue the validity of the reasoning, and lawyers do this all the time! at the end of the day if it was justified and the sharks and the NHL feel it is then this could very well end with nothing owed by the sharks. LA settled because they were worried they might not win even and hedged their bet with what they thought was reasonable. even if the arbitrator rules in favor of the sharks or Kane this still could go to court.

I truly have no idea exactly how this plays out but it could end up ugly, or it could go away. time will tell.

Jun. 16, 2022 at 9:28 p.m.

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

it's 2 years as Meier is still a RFA at the end of his deal and most likely you would resign him for 7-8 years anyways.
I'd swap mercer with holtz but the 1st would become a 2nd.

It’s one year as no team is qualifying him at $10 million. And an extension cannot be done before draft.

Mercer, Holtz and the 1st all have good chances of being as good, if not, better than Meier. At a fraction of the cost.

Devils decline.

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