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Created by: qc14

Team: 2022-23 Washington Capitals

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 19, 2022

Published: Jun. 19, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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For some reason Wilson/Nylander swaps have become really popular again. I think there is zero chance that this happens, but I wanted to go through with what it would take for the Caps to make that trade worthwhile.

1) Whether Wilson or Nylander is better is besides the point. In the eyes of the league -- coaches, pro scouts, and gms -- Wilson is the more valuable player because of the exact reasons Leafs fans want to trade for him.

2) This swap would only come about because TOR is specifically targeting Wilson / trying to dump Nylander. The Caps would not be initiating any deal involving Wilson.

3) The Caps are still going to be going for a cup. Good bottom 6 forwards and bottom pairing defenseman on cheap contracts that fit well with the team are things that you want to keep. This means Sheary, Hathaway, Dowd, Jensen, and TVR in particular would only be moved in a massive overpay, not as throw-ins.

4) This also means that young players that have proven themselves on the roster and that management has said will need to play big roles will not be moved. Fehervary and McMichael are off the table, but Samsonov and Vanecek are very much not.

5) All futures -- prospects not expected to immediately contribute next year and picks -- are completely fair game.

These combined lead to one outcome. TORONTO WOULD BE ADDING IN A WILSON/NYLANDER SWAP. I am tired of seeing Wilson + Hathaway + 2nd + 2nd for Nylander + Mrazek. Stop. Please.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Vanecek, Vitek		2	$1,500,000

Trades

WSH

TOR

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

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LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
19	$82,500,000	$64,454,033	$100,000	$0	$18,045,967

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Ovechkin, Alex $9,500,000$9,500,000 LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4	Bäckström, Nicklas $9,200,000$9,200,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Oshie, T.J. $5,750,000$5,750,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 3
Sheary, Conor $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Kuznetsov, Evgeny $3,900,000$3,900,000 C M-NTC UFA - 3	Mantha, Anthony $2,850,000$2,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
McMichael, Connor $863,333$863,333 LW, C RFA - 2	Eller, Lars $2,415,000$2,415,000 C UFA - 1
Snively, Joe $800,000$800,000 LW UFA - 2	Dowd, Nic $1,300,000$1,300,000 C UFA - 3	Hathaway, Garnet $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Jonsson-Fjällby, Axel $750,000$750,000 LW UFA - 1		Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 2
Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 LW, RW RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Orlov, Dmitry $1,275,000$1,275,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Carlson, John $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 4
van Riemsdyk, Trevor $950,000$950,000 RD UFA - 1	Jensen, Nick $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 1
Fehérváry, Martin $791,667$791,667 LD/RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Hagelin, Carl $2,750,000$2,750,000 LW UFA - 1

Jun. 19, 2022 at 11:08 p.m.

#26

BigBadBurke

PittsburghModelMyAss

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Quoting: Saskleaf

That's just an example, that's not the point. If you don't like that example, you could look at the draft. Many times teams reach for players with size and let small players fall. That's why late round stars are almost always small guys (Point, Gaudreau, Pavalski, etc).

It's common knowledge that NHL gms prefer big players over small players in a vaccuum. Like obvoiusly if the small player is way better then you take him, but if they are similar players other than size, the GM take the big guys every time. Well, except maybe Dubas haha.

If only the BPA method was implemented by every team when drafting... could you image how different the league would look.

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Jun. 19, 2022 at 11:10 p.m.

#27

Saskleaf

Go leafs go

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Quoting: BigBadBurke

If only the BPA method was implemented by every team when drafting... could you image how different the league would look.

It would look a heck of a lot different. I mean, Tampa wouldn't be a dynasty, for one. They've built their team with the help of late round steals.

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Jun. 19, 2022 at 11:11 p.m.

#28

BigBadBurke

PittsburghModelMyAss

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Quoting: Saskleaf

It would look a heck of a lot different. I mean, Tampa wouldn't be a dynasty, for one. They've built their team with the help of late round steals.

Can't believe they somehow prob got another Palat in Huuhtanen. Just unreal scouting and drafting

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Jun. 19, 2022 at 11:18 p.m.

#29

Saskleaf

Go leafs go

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Quoting: BigBadBurke

Can't believe they somehow prob got another Palat in Huuhtanen. Just unreal scouting and drafting

There is a reason people talk about Yzerman as the best GM. Joe Sakic is the best GM for trades and probably signings as well, but Yzerman is the best at drafting, and it isn't even remotely close.

Jun. 19, 2022 at 11:33 p.m.

#30

Byrr

Joined: Jul. 2019

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Quoting: Saskleaf

What is common knowledge is that size plays a factor, as well as skill. Trying to paint GMs, coaches and scouts with a broad brush is just foolish. For every example for one, you'll find a counter example going the other way. Trying to say that all 'coaches, pro scouts and GMs' view it one way is just absurdly foolish and a common mistake made by posters, including the OP, here.

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Jun. 19, 2022 at 11:35 p.m.

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Saskleaf

Go leafs go

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Quoting: Byrr

Ok, not every GM. But on average, big players are more coveted than small ones. I don’t see how that can really be disputed.

Jun. 19, 2022 at 11:40 p.m.

#32

Byrr

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Ok, not every GM. But on average, big players are more coveted than small ones. I don’t see how that can really be disputed.

But not because they are big alone. Being big alone isn't enough. Nylander is more skilled than Wilson, Wilson is bigger than Nylander. Trying to say that GMs view this one way or the other, without any actual insight into how GMs view this situation, is a foolish exercise because it's all viewed on a scale that we don't have particularly good insight to. We may have our own opinions on it as fans but trying to say your opinion reflects that of 'coaches, pro scouts and GMs' is just dumb. OP is trying to appeal to authority falsely.

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Jun. 19, 2022 at 11:47 p.m.

#33

Saskleaf

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Quoting: Byrr

Oh absolutly it isn't the only thing they look for. And I agree, it is on a scale that is objective and hard to follow. Nyaldner is more skilled than Wilson, Wilson has the "intangables" and the size. Would there be GMs thinking Nylander hs more value? Sure, it's like thar there are at least some out there. I feel like more would prefer Wilson though. But hey, I could be wrong. Just going off how GMs usually operate regarding size tells me that.

Jun. 20, 2022 at 2:10 a.m.

#34

GenXHockey

Formerly Jamiepo

Joined: Jul. 2018

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Quoting: Saskleaf

I think the example shows that bad GM's covet big slow dumb players. But even dubas signed nick ritchie. Wilson is utterly useless to the leafs, between the injury and suspensions he would barely play.

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Jun. 20, 2022 at 9:20 a.m.

#35

Saskleaf

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Quoting: GenXHockey

Exactly. If the leafs really wanted a star with sandpaper they should go after Kadri. But overall they are best off filling that role with depth guys.

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