I made a Canes post with this base trade (may need to add some pieces to even value out). I think it makes a lot of sense for Avs with the emergence of BB and the likely need to reload a bit up front. Necas would be an amazing fit with the way the Avs play imo.

i agree, especially since their was some rumours deangelo could be gone it makes lots of sense for carolina because Girard brings a strong offensive presence. He also plays both sides so you could partner him up with either slavin or pesce.

Necas would be great alongside landeskog and nichushkin as both them bring a good 2 way presence which would allow necas to focus more on his offence and he could also learn a thing or 2 from them. he also fits their timeline better i think re-singing kadri to a 8 mill deal longer then 3 years would be a very big mistake.

Girard is criminally underrated on this site, to the point of almost hilarity because he is small. The Canes would need to add something fairly nice to make this work, because Girard is locked up long term on a sweet deal that only gets better.

Girard doesn’t fit the Canes. Little and gets pushed around. We have a slightly overpaid 2LD, don’t need another.

Couldn’t disagree more. Tda a big guy? He looked pretty good to me.

None of this is true. He lost his spot to Manson because he is too small and his play

TDA plays a lot bigger and top of that is elite offensively. Girard doesn’t have that level

Mmk

what are you talking about lol girard played on mansons line?

toews- makar
girard- manson
byram- E. Johnson

and throughout playoffs the bottom 2 lines all averaged between 19-17 minutes girard playing the 4 highest amount of minutes below makar, toews, byram.

girard is very good offensively and puts up very good possession metrics.

i think you are just underrating him due to his size.

on carolina girard would easily be your #3 dman only slavin and pesce ahead of him. seems like deangelo could be gone so girard is a solid replacement

we have a Skjei, dont need another one. Girard isnt comparable to TDA. Girard is an alright all around guy but doesnt have that level of offense.

for a team whose need is adding more beef, adding a guy who gets pushed around near the net, isnt a good idea.

So you don’t know what you are talking about. He was partnered with Manson until he got hurt. Until he got hurt was night in and night out the #3 dman not only in total TOI but in special teams play.



TDA is elite offensively? So now we are telling lies on top of not knowing what we are talking about. Offensive dmen off the top of my head better than TDA; Makar, Josi, Hedman, Fox, Hughes, Ekbald, Letang, Hamilton if you aren’t even in the running for top 10 you’re not elite.
Girard gets 30pts season in season out with zero PP1 time but go ahead and tell me how TDA is elite.

LOLZ. I guess over 50 points in under 70 games for 2 seasons isnt elite? cmon now. TDA will not be in the running for the best defense because of his perception but using that as a metric is idiotic. Canes pass on Girard we have the bigger version Skjei, dont need another

Wait a second, Skjei is overpaid?

well i know you are being funny but by 500k a season. Still a good defender though. He had his best season with us this year. Slightly above his contract. Hopefully he does it again. Although he is likely to regress about 5-8 points, more of his career norm.

And I thought the Canes were good about steering clear of contracts that were even remotely onerous

unfortunately trade happened before the pandemic and had no idea the cap wasnt going up 3-5% every season. is what it is. OF course Gardiner comes to mind.

True, not to mention he who must not be named

It’s not elite. It’s not even close. Do you know what elite means? Elite is the best of the best, he’s not even the best offensive dman in his own division. That’s worthy of laughing at. You don’t want Girard fine, but it’s obvious you don’t know what your talking about, I mean really Tony Deangelo elite! That’s a hoot, because if he really were remotely close to elite the Rangers would not have cut his ass loose. Lmao

Lolz. Cool story bro. When a guy is ranked in the 96% in the league, yea he is elite offensively. He was top 5 in points per 60 in all situations for guys who played over 500 minutes this season.

I get some people hate TDA but it allows them to cloud their judgment. He is elite offensively. Just not an elite defender because his defense isn’t great.

Ok bro think what you want but he isn’t elite. He was 14th in the league in d scoring , that’s not elite. Not a gm on the planet is taking him even just for an offensive role over Makar, Josi, Fox, McAvoy, Headman, Hughes, Heiskanen, Dahlin, Theodore, Reilly. But go ahead and tell me how I’m wrong and his points/60 says he is when his actual points scored say differently. And I can’t say this to many times, if he were really elite NYR would have figured something out. He isn’t elite.

When a guy plays 6 less minutes a game than most of those guys, using raw points as a justification is less than half the picture. Just bow out cuz you’re wrong

Rangers wouldn’t make it work because their fans couldn’t handle his Twitter.

well you see maybe their is a reason why deangelo is playing way less minutes then the other guys.
Deangelo has also had the luck of getting to play with elite offensive talents and high scoring teams.

deangelo's 2 highest point productions seasons were 2019-20 and 2021-22 here is some notes for the teams he played and his team around him.

2019-20 RANGERS ranked 5th in the league in scoring
Panarin: 95 points in 69 games (Panarin's career high in PPG)
Zibenjad: 75 points in 57 games 41 goals ( Zibenajads career high in PPG and Goals PG)
Strome: 59 points in 70 games ( Strome career high in PPG)
Buchenevich and Kreider also both had top 3 seasons for PPG in their career

2021-22 Hurricanes ranked 9th in league scoring with 278 this would have ranked top 3 in almost any other season for the last 20 years as this year was a very high scoring season league wide.
* 7 forwards scored 40+ Points
Trocheck/ Neiderrieter all had top 5 offensive seasons of their careers.
Teuvo/ Aho/ Svechnikov all had top 3 offesnsive seasons of their careers.


so you can take this as Deangelo is an "Elite" offensive dman, or you can take this how it really is and that Deangelo got to play with many all stars on top 10 offensive producing teams with top 10 PP's and that he is simply a product of the team around him.

now for guys that i think are better offensively and would rather have leading my PP1 or driving my offence here it is.
Makar
Josi
Hedman
Hughes
Fox
Mcavoy
Heiskanen
Carlson
Werenski
Chabot
Theodore
Reilly
Hamilton
Doughty
Dahlin
Letang
Ekblad
Seider
Klingberg
Bouchard
Krug
Dobson
Byram

I'd even consider Pietrangelo/Toews/ Karlsson/ Nurse over him

a lot of these guys don't get the PP time deangelo does or had the team he had and yet they still produced at a similiar rate
another thing is that deangelo got to play with Slavin this season who is one of the most consistent 2 way dmen in the league along with being top 5 defensively. that benefits deangelo as he can be more aggressive offensively knowing slavin is behind him, not a lot of dmen get that plessure, most top dmen usually get stuck playing with lesser skilled dpartners where they are expected to help out more defensively, Imagine if guys like Heiskanen, Mcavoy, Seider, Hughes had slavin as a Dpartner they would blow deangelo's point production out of the water.

well you see maybe their is a reason why deangelo is playing way less minutes then the other guys.
Deangelo has also had the luck of getting to play with elite offensive talents and high scoring teams.

deangelo's 2 highest point productions seasons were 2019-20 and 2021-22 here is some notes for the teams he played and his team around him.

2019-20 RANGERS ranked 5th in the league in scoring
Panarin: 95 points in 69 games (Panarin's career high in PPG)
Zibenjad: 75 points in 57 games 41 goals ( Zibenajads career high in PPG and Goals PG)
Strome: 59 points in 70 games ( Strome career high in PPG)
Buchenevich and Kreider also both had top 3 seasons for PPG in their career

2021-22 Hurricanes ranked 9th in league scoring with 278 this would have ranked top 3 in almost any other season for the last 20 years as this year was a very high scoring season league wide.
* 7 forwards scored 40+ Points
Trocheck/ Neiderrieter all had top 5 offensive seasons of their careers.
Teuvo/ Aho/ Svechnikov all had top 3 offesnsive seasons of their careers.


so you can take this as Deangelo is an "Elite" offensive dman, or you can take this how it really is and that Deangelo got to play with many all stars on top 10 offensive producing teams with top 10 PP's and that he is simply a product of the team around him.

now for guys that i think are better offensively and would rather have leading my PP1 or driving my offence here it is.
Makar
Josi
Hedman
Hughes
Fox
Mcavoy
Heiskanen
Carlson
Werenski
Chabot
Theodore
Reilly
Hamilton
Doughty
Dahlin
Letang
Ekblad
Seider
Klingberg
Bouchard
Krug
Dobson
Byram

I'd even consider Pietrangelo/Toews/ Karlsson/ Nurse over him

a lot of these guys don't get the PP time deangelo does or had the team he had and yet they still produced at a similiar rate
another thing is that deangelo got to play with Slavin this season who is one of the most consistent 2 way dmen in the league along with being top 5 defensively. that benefits deangelo as he can be more aggressive offensively knowing slavin is behind him, not a lot of dmen get that plessure, most top dmen usually get stuck playing with lesser skilled dpartners where they are expected to help out more defensively, Imagine if guys like Heiskanen, Mcavoy, Seider, Hughes had slavin as a Dpartner they would blow deangelo's point production out of the water.

@Dekes you are confusing him being elite offensively with being a elite defender. He doesn’t play elite minutes because he isn’t great defensively, which i have already acknowledged. I also didn’t say he was an elite defender. I did say he is elite offensively, which the stats defend.