Quoting: gretzkyghosts
2019-20 Buffalo Sabres NHL 69 12 7 19
2021-22 Buffalo Sabres NHL 56 10 8 18 81 hits, 38.4 OZ%, 1:27 PK/GM, 1:00 PP/GM, 14:47 TOI/GM
Over 52% of the time he was on the ice with Eakin, Hinostroza, Caggiula, Bjork, Hayden or Jankowski
2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 38 9 9 18
2021-22 Pittsburgh Penguins NHL 41 8 9 17 66 hits, 47.9 OZ%, 0:01 PK/GM, 1:31 PP/GM 14:49 TOI/GM
Over 54% of the time he was on the ice with either Carter or Malkin.
Girgensons hits, and PK more, has a lower OZ% essentially the same TOI, vastly inferior line mates, has more goals over the past two seasons is paid less than half of Zucker, but somehow a one for one trade favors the Sabres and "Girgensons is the garbage cap dump"?
"Zucker has the same offensive stats as Girgensons" playing with MUCH BETTER LINE MATES. Zemgus plays with scrubs, Jason plays with All Stars.
"Zucker is a locker room leader" does he wear an "A" on his uniform, so Zemgus does, is recognized as a locker room leader by management.
I think if we could speak with GM's around the league and ask who would receive the larger return in a trade, it would be nearly unanimous that Zemgus has more trade value right now, considering production, cap hit, style of play and off ice contributions, .
I have provided the stats to support the POV that Girgensons
I’ll try to break down this load of nonsense point by point.
19-20 Girgenson’s has only 1 more point in 31 more games than Zucker in 20-21 playing, as you say, essentially the same TOI. That doesn’t help Girgenson’s case.
21-22 again Girgenson’s has only 1 more point in 16 more games than Zucker playing, as you say, essentially the same TOI. That doesn’t help Girgenson’s case.
Kessel played better with Bonino and Hagelin than he did playing with Malkin or Crosby. It doesn’t matter who they play with. But if Girgenson’s played here, he wouldn’t play with either Crosby or Malkin. He’d likely play with Blueger.
Girgenson’s hits…ok so does Zucker. The 21-22 stats you shared for both players actually shows Zucker hits more than Girgenson’s as Girgenson’s only has 15 more hits in 16 more games. Zucker has over 1 hit per game in your stats so if they had played the same number of games, the hits would be in Zuckers favor. So that doesn’t help Girgenson’s case.
Girgenson’s pk’s more? Ok what’s your point? The pens pk is pretty set at forward. They have Carter, Rust, Blueger, McGinn, etc. That doesn’t really help Girgenson’s case.
Girgenson’s has a lower OZ%…by a whopping 9%. That’s not really much of difference lol. But keep reaching.
Girgenson’s has more goals the last two years…6 more goals in 47 more games. That doesn’t help Girgenson’s case at all lol.
Girgenson’s is paid less than half of Zuckers cap hit…yeah cause he is garbage lol. That doesn’t help his case.
I’d hardly consider ERod, Carter, Kapanen, Heinen, etc as all stars. The only All stars on the team are Crosby, Letang, Guentzel, Rust, and Malkin. He doesn’t play much with most of those players lol. And Girgenson’s is a scrub himself.
You don’t have to wear a letter to be a locker room leader. The gm, coach, teammates all say he is and I’ll take their words for it over some rando on cap friendly.
I guarantee you are wrong that gm’s would say Girgenson’s has more value than Zucker 😂. But that is rich lmao.
Your stats show Zucker is the far superior player. Anyone who can read and understand stats can see that lol
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