Islanders trade for Patrick Kane with long-term outlook until 2024-25

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Created by: EBrockway16

Team: 2022-23 New York Islanders

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 9, 2022

Published: Jul. 9, 2022

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK:

2023-24 Cap-Space (before extensions): $25,000,000

Notable 2023-24 free agents:
Mathew Barzal (RFA)
Patrick Kane (UFA)
Oliver Wahlstrom (RFA)
Scott Mayfield (UFA)
Semyon Varlamov (UFA)

Extensions:
Mathew Barzal ($8M X 8)
Patrick Kane ($7M X 3)
Scott Mayfield ($3M X 3)
Oliver Wahlstrom ($4M X 3)
Semyon Varlamov ($2.75M X 2)

2023-24 Cap-Space (after extensions): $250,000

2024-25 Cap Space (before extensions): $14,500,000

Notable Free Agents:
Anthony Beauvillier (UFA)
Ilya Sorokin (UFA)
Cal Clutterbuck (UFA)
Matt Martin (UFA)

Extensions:
Anthony Beauvillier ($5M X 5)
Ilya Sorokin ($7.5M X 7)
Matt Martin (League Min. if not retired)
Cal Clutterbuck (League Min. if not retired)

2024-25 Cap-Space (after extensions): $2,000,000

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Bellows, Kieffer	2	$925,000
Durandeau, Arnaud	2	$925,000
Koivula, Otto	2	$925,000
Salo, Robin	2	$925,000
Wotherspoon, Parker	2	$925,000
Romanov, Alexander	3	$2,500,000
Dobson, Noah	3	$4,250,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Aho, Sebastian	1	$900,000
Czarnik, Austin	1	$900,000
Vande Sompel, Mitch	1	$900,000
LaDue, Paul	1	$900,000
Hutton, Grant	1	$900,000
Schneider, Cory	1	$900,000

Trades

NYI

Kane, Patrick ($5,250,000 retained)

CHI

Bailey, Josh
Holmström, Simon
2023 1st round pick (NYI)
2023 3rd round pick (NYI)

Buyouts

Rick DiPietro: $0

Buried

Richard Pánik: $250,000 ($1,375,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$82,500,000	$72,364,963	$245,796	$1,287,500	$10,135,037

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Lee, Anders $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW NTC UFA - 4	Barzal, Mathew $7,000,000$7,000,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Kane, Patrick -$2,625,000-$2,625,000 RW NMC UFA - 1
Beauvillier, Anthony $4,150,000$4,150,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Nelson, Brock $6,000,000$6,000,000 C, LW M-NTC UFA - 3	Wahlstrom, Oliver $894,167$894,167 ($537,500$538K) RW RFA - 1
Bellows, Kieffer $925,000$925,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Pageau, Jean-Gabriel $5,000,000$5,000,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Palmieri, Kyle $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 3
Martin, Matt $1,500,000$1,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Cizikas, Casey $2,500,000$2,500,000 C UFA - 5	Clutterbuck, Cal $1,750,000$1,750,000 RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Pelech, Adam $5,750,000$5,750,000 LD NTC UFA - 7	Pulock, Ryan $6,150,000$6,150,000 RD NTC UFA - 8	Sorokin, Ilya $4,000,000$4,000,000 G UFA - 2
Romanov, Alexander $2,500,000$2,500,000 LD RFA - 3	Dobson, Noah $4,250,000$4,250,000 RD RFA - 3	Varlamov, Semyon $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Salo, Robin $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 2	Mayfield, Scott $1,450,000$1,450,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Johnston, Ross $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW UFA - 4
Parise, Zach $750,000$750,000 ($750,000$750K) LW UFA - 1
Aho, Sebastian $900,000$900,000 LD UFA - 2

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:22 a.m.

Not_Isles5513

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That’s a lot to give up for a 34 year old lol

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:28 a.m.

EBrockway16

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Quoting: Isles5513

That’s a lot to give up for a 34 year old lol

I mean they’re retaining $5,250,000 and taking on Bailey so it’s not that bad. Also, it’s Patrick freakin Kane who is not your average 34 yr old Lol

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Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:29 a.m.

Boomer125

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Quoting: Isles5513

That’s a lot to give up for a 34 year old lol

Sure, a 34 year old with 10 straight seasons of 100 pts and hasn't even started to slow even with how bad Chicago has been. Kane is a fantastic pick up and at 5.25 it's fantastic value for a player of his calibre and pedigree and resume

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Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:30 a.m.

Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Boomer125

He’s the best American player of all time. Doesn’t mean I’d pay thru the nose to get a 34 year old. You are talking about his past accomplishments while ignoring the fact guys usually enter a steep decline when they hit Kane’s age. He might be the exception for a couple more years but still.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:32 a.m.

Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: EBrockway16

I mean they’re retaining $5,250,000 and taking on Bailey so it’s not that bad. Also, it’s Patrick freakin Kane who is not your average 34 yr old Lol

Bailey can probably be moved anyway tho. Giving up a first for someone Kane’s age isn’t a great idea given the fact guys his age usually enter a steep decline. Obviously Kane’s a fantastic player but a first, a third and a decent prospect isn’t worth it imo. I think you would be better off stockpiling assets to acquire a younger player.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:52 a.m.

Boomer125

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Quoting: Isles5513

He's a guy you aquire for this one single season that's it, yes your paying through the nose and yes he will have a major positive impact on whatever team lands him. He is absolutely worth the package presented here, this coat wasn't all that much especially while dumping 2 years of 5 million dollar middle 6 winger Josh Bailey

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:53 a.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Quoting: Boomer125

Bailey is also 34 years old so a much greater deadline coming from that player over Kane

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:54 a.m.

Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Boomer125

I guess you are getting heavily on the idea that Bailey can’t be moved otherwise, but I’d rather stockpile assets to acquire a younger winger.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:55 a.m.

Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Boomer125

Bailey is also 34 years old so a much greater deadline coming from that player over Kane

Bailey will finish his contract at 34 years old. I’m not comparing him to Kane, but I am saying it’s a bad idea to trade for another aging winger when the isles r one of the oldest rosters in the league. They need to get younger up front and this deal isn’t a long term solution.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:56 a.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

I guess you are getting heavily on the idea that Bailey can’t be moved otherwise, but I’d rather stockpile assets to acquire a younger winger.

I don't think Bailey can moved easily or that there is even a market for him, he's not bad but just ok and is a middle six winger at 5 million against the cap not that much value there

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:57 a.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Bailey is an older more expensive Kerfoot to be honest that's what and who he is. Nothing wrong with the player but nothing exciting either

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:58 a.m.

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Quoting: Boomer125

Bailey is an older more expensive Kerfoot to be honest that's what and who he is. Nothing wrong with the player but nothing exciting either

Yeah but someone will probably trade for kerfoot

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:59 a.m.

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Boomer125

Bailey is an older more expensive Kerfoot to be honest that's what and who he is. Nothing wrong with the player but nothing exciting either

I just think someone would trade for him cause of the A on his sweater lol. Either way I don’t c lou making another trade to acquire a rental. I think the Romanov trade is the perfect example of what Lou wants to do going forward.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 9:59 a.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

You're right here, Kane isn't really the guy the islanders should be targeting, they should be targeting a younger player with some term but Bailey is doubtful going the other way in that trade.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:00 a.m.

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Boomer125

You're right here, Kane isn't really the guy the islanders should be targeting, they should be targeting a younger player with some term but Bailey is doubtful going the other way in that trade.

I get what your saying. I just think the people on this site sometimes jump to conclusions when they assume someone is a cap dump.

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Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:00 a.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

Yeah but someone will probably trade for kerfoot

And they should, he's useful , versitile and inexpensive. He's not exciting but he's also not a liability

Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:01 a.m.

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Quoting: Isles5513

I get what your saying. I just think the people on this site sometimes jump to conclusions when they assume someone is a cap dump.

Everyone is a cap dump on this site if your moving that player off your roster on this site

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Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:01 a.m.

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Quoting: Boomer125

And they should, he's useful , versitile and inexpensive. He's not exciting but he's also not a liability

I obviously have a soft spot for Bailey. I would totally move him if the isles got someone younger than Kane like Forsberg, but I don’t think they can continue to trade future firsts for rentals.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:01 a.m.

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Not_Isles5513

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Quoting: Boomer125

Everyone is a cap dump on this site if your moving that player off your roster on this site

Exactly Lmao

Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:03 a.m.

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Quoting: Boomer125

And they should, he's useful , versitile and inexpensive. He's not exciting but he's also not a liability

Btw I expect Keefoot to get dealt for Kuemper’s rights lmao

Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:07 a.m.

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Boomer125

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Quoting: Isles5513

Btw I expect Keefoot to get dealt for Kuemper’s rights lmao

Won't happen, Leafs will sign Campbell over Keumper unless Holland is foolish enough to give Campbell 5x6 or 6x5, Campbell has stated he'd like to stay in TO but does want want a 20-25 million dollar deal with term so 4.2 x 6 keeps Campbell in TO and in my opinion is a better option than Kuemper

Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:10 a.m.

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I agree that’s what the leafs should do. I’m just rooting for chaos with this idea lol

Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:11 a.m.

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Just look at the return for debrincat (with 2 yrs left instead of 1). If this deal is available, isles should take it. It’s effectively a salary wash for this season and the isles get a dynamic winger that they have needed for so long.

All of these comments saying too much to give up for a 34yr old…he still produced better than any islander last season. And who can the isles trade for that’s younger and with term (and would cost ~$5mm)? That player will be a lot more expensive. Debrincat was there, but isles didn’t get him, who is left?

Jul. 9, 2022 at 10:12 a.m.

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i know it seems like Kyle Davidson has recently been taken hostage and forced to make terrible trades that are ruining Chicago's future, but I think even his kidnappers would say "this one's a little light".

I don't love Patty Kane but he's coming off a 92 point season so he still has strong value. If you're asking for full retention, I'd be generous and say that costs the 3rd you're including here - which means that you're basically trading a pick and prospect for him and having them take Josh Bailey off your hands (he's not a cap dump but he needs to go to make this trade work, so Chicago is gonna discount his value.)

Not enough to me.

Jul. 9, 2022 at 12:03 p.m.

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Barzal won’t be a 8 x 8 his contract starts at 9 i think he gets either 9.5 or 10

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