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Forum: Armchair-GMApr 1 at 2:24
Thread: Toronto deep dive - MARNER INVOLVED IN TRADE TO FIX 6IX WOES
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_and_Sens_Fan</b></div><div>Dahlin has more value than Marner.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CrossFireX33</b></div><div>If it's Marner for Dahlin you're trying to pull off, it's toronto that needs to add, not Buffalo</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Dahlin &gt; Marner</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div>Dahlin is a franchise defenseman.</div></div>

Dahlin has shown flashes - pound for pound straight up today Marner is probably the better player over the next few years Dahlin will be the better player. If Botts did this he'd be gone before the ink dried all that aside Marner in Buffalo top 6 does solve a lot of offensive issues but Dahlin in TO (another left shot Dman) doesn't solve their Defensive woes
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 31 at 4:29
Thread: try this again
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ajp_18</b></div><div>I don’t think they do. They wanted to keep the face of the franchise and lost him to his hometown. You can literally say that for any team who loses a free agent.

Are you going to trade Matthews when he’s about to be a UFA?</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Dubas will try to sign matthews before the trade deadline of the final year of his contract. If he does not sign sure I could see him getting traded. By the time his contract is up who knows how the leafs will look like. A 1st round pick and some prospects could be worth it for the long term bennefit of the leafs. If he leaves for say Arizona people will be asking why did we not learn from the tavares scenerio. besides u never know what Mcdavids intentions are as he may want to come play for Toronto if he does not get a cup with the oilers.</div></div>

CBJ has 2 seasons left their "Franchise player" under contract after that he's a FA free to sign anywhere he wants and there will be 32 teams sending offers to his agent and about 50% of those teams will be able to put together a bonus ladened deal that will make CBJ gulp and about 10 teams will be able to put together an offer that takes CBJ out of the running unless of course Jones really really really likes it there. Not being a prick or anything but these are just some realities CBJ will face when it comes to signing their franchise player
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 31 at 3:59
Thread: try this again
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ajp_18</b></div><div>Columbus keeps Jones. Teams don’t trade their best player. Jones is Columbus best player and the face of the franchise. The value around the league might be even, but the value that Jones has to Columbus makes him 100% untouchable.

It’s like asking Toronto to trade Matthews or Pittsburgh to trade Crosby or why the islanders and lightning didn’t trade Tavares or Stamkos. You don’t trade your best player and face of the franchise. Can we please stop with the Jones trades it’s not going to happen. Just like Toronto is going to trade Matthews or Marner, it’s not happening.</div></div>

I absolutely understand your argument, I do however disagree with your assessment of Jones. Jones is not in the same category as Crosby, Stamkos,Matthews, Tavares. He is today the face of the franchise if for any reason a trade involving Marner for Jones were to happen then Marner or at the very least PLD would become the face of the franchise.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 31 at 3:53
Thread: Signing UFAs to Fill Holes if Marner took the Offer Sheet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_and_Sens_Fan</b></div><div>You forgot about all the players we could get with 11M in cap space as well. We might be able to get some solid D.

I'm pretty sure most GMs would take that cap space plus the 5 1sts on cost controlled contracts but your opinion obviously differs.</div></div>

Taking picks is letting turning down a monthly pay cheque in hopes you win the lottery. Picks are never guaranteed to be what we hope they are just that "hopefully this pick develops into a top 6 F in 2-4 years". My main point is trading Marner for futures (Marner at this point is a future) is pointless, trading Marner for equally capable player at a position of need is the right move eg: Marner to CBj for Jones. It's not like Marner signed any of these O/S and the Leafs Matched that never happened
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 31 at 2:35
Thread: Signing UFAs to Fill Holes if Marner took the Offer Sheet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_and_Sens_Fan</b></div><div>Can you not see the team is just as good without Marner's terrible contract. The 4 1sts is just the cherry on top.

It's essentially 5 1sts and Tavares for Marner.

Dubas had to trade away our 1st this year to dump Marleau's contract.

We could have had 5 1sts for Marner, that's a deal I'd make any day. Think about 5 more Robertson, Sandin, Liljegren caliber players.</div></div>

That's a nice point you made there, ya Marner is a high AAV and maybe those 5 firsts all turn into reliable NHL players, but would I trade Marner for 5 guys in the calibre of Sandin (pretty average Dman, small sample but nothing to get all hard over) Liljegren ( didn't really blow minds this season, if he is Marner quality he'd be playing top pair minutes not struggling on the 3rd pair) , Robertson what a fantastic Junior season still hasn't played with men. No I would not trade Marner for 5 Liljegren's or 5 Robertson's or 5 Sandin's and TBH any level headed GM wouldn't either
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 30 at 4:31
Thread: Signing UFAs to Fill Holes if Marner took the Offer Sheet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>2 teams reportedly offered him bigger deals than toronto. Columbus 13m for 7 and Islanders 11 for 6 but he rejected both as he wanted to play in toronto. With both those deals toronto could have got 4 firsts which would have made excellent trade chips for aquiring some top 4 RD or other defense/depth forwards</div></div>

They sure would of , but he didn't sign them and here we are arguing over the value of a 22 year old 100 pt winger. I'm fine with moving Marner but getting futures back is terrible, move for this unicorn RHD that solves all the Leafs problems and the fan bases problems until the 4 the game in when this unicorn turns the puck over in the neutral zone and we're back to should've kept Marner this unicorn is awful
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 30 at 4:04
Thread: Would he accept offer sheet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CaptainFlynnt</b></div><div>Killorn NTC becomes a 16 team list July 1st this summer. He is 30 and coming off a 49 pt season in 67 games. Trading him and replacing his spot with an ELC would save TB ~$3.5M. He is the prime guy to trade. They already have to choose between Sergachev and Cirelli in my opinion (if they get offersheeted otherwise they could sign both @ ~$4M.)

There is no incentive to Sergachev signing 5 years with MTL @ $6.34M. Just sign 3 years @ $4.6M in TB, anything you sign afterwards in TB is a raise over MTL's offer. He would lose money with that offer in MTL.</div></div>

Except 5 years walks him to FA where he gains full control of his career that is an incentive over a 3 year term and be left unprotected for the expansion draft cause of all the NTCs Tampa has to protect
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 30 at 3:37
Thread: Would he accept offer sheet
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CaptainFlynnt</b></div><div>I'm trying to say Sergachev won't sign an offersheet of 5 years @ $6.34M, the AAV is too low.

Not only that, but the offersheet should make it hard for the other team to sign. 5 years at @ $6.34M gets matched by TB instantly. They will move somebody to match that contract because it will be a great value contract 3 to 5 years from now.

A 2 year deal @ $6.34M is a little harder to match because his contract will be up again two years from now, at which point he will want more money or could be offersheeted again. Tampa is probably expecting to get Sergachev at 2 years × $4M. $6.34M would make things a lot harder for them, but if you are giving them term with the offersheet than it's a no brainer they will match.</div></div>

Tampa ability to trade players or move out players is pretty difficult all the players that Tampa would like move have NTCs are TBH middle 6 forwards with 4/5 years left at 4/5 million - give 1 good reason any of those players will waive their NTC to not be in Tampa?

6.34 AAV is plenty for Sergachev and Tampa will have a very difficult time matching even with 1 compliance buyout - if the cap remains the same (likely) Tampa has about 6 million in space with 5 roster spots to fill plus Sergachev RFA Ciereli RFA and Cernak RFA. I get that in real dollars 4.6 in Tampa is the same take home as 6.34 in Montreal unfortunately if Sergachev signs an OS at 6.34 Tampa has to match that AAV. Plus there will be at least 6-8 teams that would give Sergachev that OS and a CBJ or Vegas or LA have pretty similar tax structures or Sergachev can keep his address in TB and still get the taxes back