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Created by: mh61

Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 12, 2023

Published: Nov. 12, 2023

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Flames are going nowhere fast so why not tear it down and go full rebuild.

First trade with leafs, they need big D-changes and Flames need talent for the future, Nylander is on an expiring contract and they are up against the cap. This deal gives them some cap relief in the future and improves their defence for the year:
Rielly-Taney
McCabe-Weager
Zadorov-Brodie
They have to give up a big piece but they get rid of a problem in Klingberg and get 3 really good defenders in return. Liljgren in to help cap work. In the end Tanev, Klingberg and Zadorov are all on on expiring contracts and with tanevs age and Zadorovs value the return for either would probably be a 2nd round pick at best so my math here is Nylander liljgren > weager and Tanev and Zadorov > Klingberg overall the deal seems pretty fair

Coleman is a guy teams could target for some secondary scoring on the 2nd/3rd line and can also contribute on the PK for a contending team. Could expect a package of picks and prospects based on his deal length (4years) . Trade could happen with any contender

No point in having Marky if we are rebuilding, Oilers need a goalie and out of the Campbell contract but we make them pay for it with a 1st, 2nd and Broberg. Wolf is likely the goalie of the future and will be cost controlled the next 2-3 years so we can afford to absorb the Campbell money

Vladar can go anywhere at the deadline to a team needing a goalie teams in on it can change as the year progresses with injuries etc. return is probably a 2-3rd round pick

In this scenario I’m hoping lindholm can see the light at the end of the tunnel with the add of nylander and the chance to play with him and Huberdeau with the addition of really good young players (Zary, Pelletier, and Coranato) and decides to reup with the flames

Trades

CGY

Additional Details:

Nylander Signs 8x9.5 (a must for a deal to get done)

TOR

CGY

Any team, 1st, 3rd, mid level prospect

TOR

Coleman, Blake

CGY

Broberg, Philip
Campbell, Jack
2024 1st round pick (EDM)
2024 2nd round pick (EDM)

EDM

Markström, Jacob

CGY

Any Team, 2 or 3 round pick

EDM

Vladar, Daniel

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$83,500,000	$72,903,198	$0	$1,927,500	$10,596,802

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Huberdeau, Jonathan $10,500,000$10,500,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 8	Lindholm, Elias $4,850,000$4,850,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW NMC UFA - 1
Dubé, Dillon $2,300,000$2,300,000 LW, RW, C RFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem $7,000,000$7,000,000 C NMC UFA - 6	Mangiapane, Andrew $5,800,000$5,800,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 2
Pelletier, Jakob $863,333$863,333 LW RFA - 1	Zary, Connor $863,333$863,333 ($212,500$212K) LW, C RFA - 2	Coronato, Matthew $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RW RFA - 2
Ruzicka, Adam $762,500$762,500 LW, C UFA - 1	Backlund, Mikael $5,350,000$5,350,000 C NMC UFA - 1	Sharangovich, Yegor $3,100,000$3,100,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Hanifin, Noah $1,237,500$1,237,500 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Andersson, Rasmus $4,550,000$4,550,000 RD UFA - 3	Wolf, Dustin $813,333$813,333 ($15,000$15K) G RFA - 1
Kylington, Oliver $2,500,000$2,500,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 1	Campbell, Jack $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
Broberg, Philip $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 1	Klingberg, John $4,150,000$4,150,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Greer, AJ $762,500$762,500 RW, LW UFA - 1		Rooney, Kevin $1,300,000$1,300,000 C UFA - 1
Duehr, Walker $825,000$825,000 RW UFA - 2
Gilbert, Dennis $762,500$762,500 LD UFA - 1
DeSimone, Nick $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Nov. 12, 2023 at 1:10 p.m.

Kinger25

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Leafs quickly decline

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Nov. 12, 2023 at 1:21 p.m.

Boomer125

Joined: Apr. 2019

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I'm hard pressed to see the value in acquiring 3 flames defensemen (who as we can see this season, are not really paying all that well) for the privilege of giving away Nylander and Liljegren all because the 1 year of Klingberg is looking exactly as expected

Nov. 12, 2023 at 1:28 p.m.

Bast

First round bust

Joined: May 2023

Posts: 852

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I know Coleman is playing well but his age and contract put him in the same category as Garland. I don't think a team is going to claim him off waivers in this capped out league, let alone pay assets for him.

As much as I liked Markstrom's start, he has been average. He's doing great at stopping medium danger chances, but struggles in both low danger, and high danger chances against. I think he needs to put in a much larger body of work before a team is willing to take a chance on him.

Toronto doesn't need 3D, also why would Nylander sign for our rebuild? If we're playing a core full of AHL D + Andersson we'll be lit up on most nights.

Nov. 12, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.

NickC1988

Chicago

Joined: Jun. 2015

Posts: 7,002

Likes: 2,852

You had me convinced in your description, and then I see that Leafs trade.....

Nov. 12, 2023 at 1:59 p.m.

Leafsfan98

Leafs going to Leafs

Joined: Dec. 2022

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So, looking at this trade, you are 50% retention on Z and Tanev, Lilly doesn't go to CGY and CGY is missing a mid to late 1st/2nd

Nov. 12, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.

MoSeider53

Future Norris guy

Joined: Aug. 2022

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If William Nylander was seeking 8x9.5M he'd already be resigned by now, Very doubtful especially the way he's playing now. That he's taking anything less than 8x10.5M

Nov. 12, 2023 at 4:28 p.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

Joined: Jun. 2019

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Quoting: Bast

Agree that Coleman has drastically more value to the team than he does on the market.

Marky has been well above average, he's still got one of the best GSAx and looks very dialed in every game. Vladar played well last year but has really struggled to start this year.

Agree on the Nylander thing. He's playing great and exactly like he wants that contract but I highly doubt he's interested in playing for a team designed to tank for 5+ years. Wolf is npt ready to be a starter and Campbell sucks so the goaltending is going to be bad. On top of rhat the d-core will be brutal without Weegar (who probably isn't waiving nor is available at all)

Nov. 12, 2023 at 6:01 p.m.

Bast

First round bust

Joined: May 2023

Posts: 852

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

We're mostly on the same page, but Markstrom is 33rd in GSAx. He was the best player on the ice in half his starts, but he still let's in stinkers in a much higher rate than 2 years ago.

https://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm

Nov. 12, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

Joined: Jun. 2019

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Quoting: Bast

He's 6th in GSAx on Evolving Hockey

I don't really agree with him letting in stinkers. I admittedly missed the Rangers game but he played great vs St. Louis and was left out to dry/unlucky vs Edmonton and Dallas on most of their goals (ie Robertson's shot being a knuckle shot from hitting Weegar's stick, his follow-through showed he was aiming high. Or Benn's shorty was not his fault at all, terrible coverage from Ras and no backcheck elsewhere).

Nov. 12, 2023 at 6:50 p.m.

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Bast

First round bust

Joined: May 2023

Posts: 852

Likes: 352

Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

He's 6th in GSAx on Evolving Hockey

Here are some numbers from a discussion on CalgaryPuck on Nov 9th.

Quote:

Low Danger Save % Above Expected

Last season (min games played: 20)
- 1st Ullmark, 0.011 (actual: 0.984, expected: 0.973)
- 16th Skinner, 0.002 (actual: 0.972, expected: 0.971)
- 25th Markstrom, -0.002 (actual: 0.968, expected: 0.970)
This season (min games played: 3)
- 1st DeSmith, 0.018 (actual: 0.992, expected: 0.973)
- 16th Bobrovsky, 0.006 (actual: 0.977, expected: 0.971)
- 48th Markstrom, -0.017 (actual: 0.954, expected: 0.971)

Medium Danger Save % Above Expected

Last season (min games played: 20)
- 1st Samsonov, 0.047 (actual: 0.927, expected: 0.880)
- 16th Bobrovsky, 0.013 (actual: 0.888, expected: 0.876)
- 38th Markstrom, -0.009 (actual: 0.867, expected: 0.875)
This season (min games played: 3)
- 1st Comrie, 0.136 (actual: 1.000, expected: 0.864)
- 13th Markstrom, 0.032 (actual: 0.907, expected: 0.874)
- 16th Quick, 0.024 (actual: 0.907, expected: 0.883)

High Danger Save % Above Expected

Last season (min games played: 20)
- 1st Kochetkov, 0.145 (actual: 0.825, expected: 0.680)
- 16th Saros, 0.074 (actual: 0.757, expected: 0.682)
- 43rd Markstrom, 0.024 (actual: 0.700, expected: 0.676)
This season (min games played: 3)
- 1st Vladar, 0.285 (actual: 1.000, expected: 0.715)
- 16th Woll, 0.130 (actual: 0.786, expected: 0.655)
- 32nd Markstrom, 0.081 (actual: 0.781, expected: 0.697)

It seems Evolving Hockey views it differently. Personally I remember Markstrom making a bunch of great saves, but allowing 1 bad goal each game.

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