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Does Petry-Marino make any sense

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Team: 2022-23 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 9, 2022
Published: Jul. 9, 2022
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Someone is going to strike out in FA and realize he's a good player on a fair deal, just doesn't fit in on Pens crowded left side.
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What does this deal look like? Marino is cheaper and younger but Petry is the better player. Not sure who would have to add.
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 1:08 p.m.
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Hell ya!!!
Jul. 9, 2022 at 1:19 p.m.
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I don't think so honestly, if we trade Marino to free up cap space I think it should be for pics/helping our forward core
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 1:25 p.m.
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I don't think so honestly, if we trade Marino to free up cap space I think it should be for pics/helping our forward core


Are we cool with Letang-Ruhwedel-Friedman as the Right side until the trade deadline?
Jul. 9, 2022 at 1:26 p.m.
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terrible deal for the Pens. Petry is 34 years old and on the decline,,, it's insane that they're even entertaining ideas of trading for him given his cap hit. i'm starting to lose faith in Hextall, but let's see what actually materializes this offseason.

also Marino should be untouchable unless a team is willing to pay a premium.
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 1:27 p.m.
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No. Marino is younger, cheaper, and better.
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 1:43 p.m.
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No. Marino is younger, cheaper, and better.


He's younger and cheaper but certainly not better. You guys have Letang til he's 41. Petry should be considered a young, spring chicken by comparison at a deal that finishes when Jeff's 37
Jul. 9, 2022 at 1:46 p.m.
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terrible deal for the Pens. Petry is 34 years old and on the decline,,, it's insane that they're even entertaining ideas of trading for him given his cap hit. i'm starting to lose faith in Hextall, but let's see what actually materializes this offseason.

also Marino should be untouchable unless a team is willing to pay a premium.


In this crappy season Petry managed 27points, much lower then usual, which puts him at 73rd in the league amongst defenseman. In the 4 seasons prior he averaged 42.5 pts per season, putting him around 30th in the league, or 15th amongst RHD. I think the top +- 10RHD are untouchable/not up to be traded.

He's actually been on an upwards trajectory the last 5 years discounting that mess that was last season for every player on the team
Jul. 9, 2022 at 1:52 p.m.
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Why would the Penguins do this?
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 2:15 p.m.
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If Montreal has interest in Marino I would think the Pens would have interest in Anderson. Anderson is the type of player Hextall/Burke have been talking about bringing in since they came to the team. Truculence and skill!
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 2:23 p.m.
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Terrible. Hell no
Jul. 9, 2022 at 2:23 p.m.
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Terrible. Hell no
Jul. 9, 2022 at 2:41 p.m.
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Quoting: pensfan21
I don't think so honestly, if we trade Marino to free up cap space I think it should be for pics/helping our forward core


Personally I would rather move Pettersson for a cap dump. I am open to trading Marino, but preferably in a hockey trade for a forward. If not then something involving a first round pick I think. If we did trade him could replace him in free agency.
Jul. 9, 2022 at 2:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Scuderi4Daley
Are we cool with Letang-Ruhwedel-Friedman as the Right side until the trade deadline?


Personally I would rather move Pettersson for a cap dump. I am open to trading Marino, but preferably in a hockey trade for a forward. If not then something involving a first round pick I think. If we did trade him could replace him in free agency.
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Jul. 9, 2022 at 3:17 p.m.
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Quoting: PensGMwannabe
If Montreal has interest in Marino I would think the Pens would have interest in Anderson. Anderson is the type of player Hextall/Burke have been talking about bringing in since they came to the team. Truculence and skill!


“For sure, there is value in centres and it’s often a question of how do you find a centre? You draft one,” Canadiens general manager Kent Hughes said. “But I can also tell you all that the number of calls we’re receiving for Josh Anderson is incredible, so there’s also a strong demand for a player who can play, score and who is imposing physically.”

I think a big reason they went with Slafkovsky is that they've had an insane demand for Josh Anderson as reported by Seravalli and Lebrun. Ppl here hate him, GMs adore him! He's almost an untouchable.
Jul. 9, 2022 at 3:42 p.m.
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Quoting: Koskinen_The_Great
He's younger and cheaper but certainly not better. You guys have Letang til he's 41. Petry should be considered a young, spring chicken by comparison at a deal that finishes when Jeff's 37


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He's younger and cheaper but certainly not better. You guys have Letang til he's 41. Petry should be considered a young, spring chicken by comparison at a deal that finishes when Jeff's 37


No Marino is certainly better too. And idk what Letang has to do with this other than show it makes even less sense. If the pens already have 1 RHD signed to 6+ million for the next 6 years, why would we want another 6+ million defenseman, much less another 6+ million right handed defenseman?
Jul. 10, 2022 at 12:08 a.m.
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No Marino is certainly better too.


Show me one stat or metric that he's better than Petry over the last 5 years? I posted black and white stats. Petry had everything go against him last season with family issues and a horrid team yet still outperformed 1 goal Marino.

Believing and showing are 2 different things.
Jul. 10, 2022 at 2:07 p.m.
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Show me one stat or metric that he's better than Petry over the last 5 years? I posted black and white stats. Petry had everything go against him last season with family issues and a horrid team yet still outperformed 1 goal Marino.

Believing and showing are 2 different things.


An offense defenseman outscored a defensive defenseman by a whopping two points…that doesn’t help your case lol. But you want black and white stats/metrics that prove Marino is better ok. Tell you what, I’ll throw you a bone too. I’ll compare Petry’s career year two years ago instead of his terrible year last year vs Marino’s year last year.
Petry 20-21 season: 77% War % QOT(Quality of teammates) 52% PP 16% PK 7%
Marino 21-22 season: 78% War % QOT 26% PP 22% PK 22%

But since trades are what have you done for me lately let’s compare last year:
Petry: 27 pts in 68 GP 22:07 TOI 43.6 OZS to 56.4 DZS
Marino: 25 pts in 81 GP 20:38 TOI 38.6 OZS to 61.4 DZS
Petry: 1.1 pts/60 as an offensive dman
Marino .9 pts/60 as a defensive dman
It’s undeniable that Marino is not only better overall but better bang for the buck in the few stats that he’s slightly lesser than Petry in.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=ev&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8478507&p2=8473507&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single
John Marino is better in almost every category.

http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=pp&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&p1=8478507&p2=8473507&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

Petry got significantly more time on the PP yet only outscored Marino by 2 points. And Marino was arguably better than Petry on the power play as a defensive defenseman lol.

Now let’s talk about how Petry should start a bakery because he’s a turnover machine.
Petry 21-22 12 Takeaways 107 giveaways
20-21 10 takeaways 75 giveaways
19-20 30 takeaways 88 giveaways
18-19 39 takeaways 129 giveaways
17-18 41 takeaways 102 giveaways

Those numbers would make even Letang and Malkin blush who are our biggest turnover machines but their good outweighs their flaws. Petry…not so much.

Marino 21-22 43 takeaways 35 giveaways
20-21 29 takeaways 21 giveaways
19-20 37 takeaways 42 giveaways
 
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