Thanks but no thanks. Islanders haven’t prioritized adding a veteran this off season cause they r way too old. This package is looking at an overpay in the rear view mirror. You can’t win now if your top players are in a nursing home…

In all seriousness you need help if you think is realistic . I can guarantee you Wahlstrom and Raty not be involved in any trade with the Canucks unless Pettersson is included in the trade

It’s worth mentioning the Islanders didn’t actually talk to the Canucks about Miller. Rutherford denied it himself.

I don’t see how people can grow up in Canada and know this little about hockey. Are they just that delusional or they do think we r stupid? I’m not sure which is worse tbh lol. Either way it’s embarrassing that trash like this gets posted everyday.

If Miller to the Isles is a thing, it's a RHD in the trade. And vancouver wants pieces that would help right now, not 1 or 2+ years from now.

Also as mentioned. Isles shouldn't be turning into a geriatrics home. They need to get a bit younger.

Isles aren’t moving Dobson to make it happen and Lou would want to keep Mayfield for a cup run. There isn’t a deal to be made here.

isles don’t have any RDs they’d give up for miller aside from maybe mayfield who vancouver probably wouldn’t want, it just doesn’t make sense

exactly

The fanbase who’s team traded for Ekman Larsson thinks they are getting Wahlstrom and Raty for JT miller - what a world

Whoever said Canadians were polite never talked about hockey with them. I’ve never seen the most biased American sports fan pretend their worst players have value the way Canadians do. If anything they r willing to overpay to get rid of them.

They just have 0 grasp on a players value. There is literally nothing besides Pettersson or Hughes that would make the isles consider trading Raty. The Isles brass know this, most fans with common sense know this.

Man, this site is a joke calling Wahsstrom untouchable unless Pettersson is asinine dude can't f'ing skate. Hoglander has more value, he is younger drives play better and is actually notable on the ice. A first top 5, 10 protected and Raty is fair value. He is not a top 10, even 20 prospect just because your prospect pool sucks and he is your only good prospect does not mean he had tremendous value. You might not want to trade him and I get that but let's not be ridiculous.

They over react easily. Lou is desperate after firing Trotz & these fans ignore that & the problems he’s created signing vets to poor contracts. Palmieri. We’re not talking about Barzal & Dobson their only real top young talents either. A signed Miller makes them better by miles. Hoglander isn’t just a throw in. Miller alone could get this deal.

It doesn't matter what you think, Lou Lamoriello just fired Trotz because of how he buried Wahlstrom reason. Wahlstrom drives play , scores goals and generates chances at a good rate and has chemistry with Mat Barzal. He is not available for JT miller no matter what you say. Neither is Raty, he will make the isles out of camp and his D+1 was identical to Anton Lundell. Don't be mad because you're not getting him for JT miller

If he can't skate then how is he above average in transition? Interesting

Goals above replacement over the past 2 seasons:
Wahlstrom: 5.8 GAR
Hoglander: 5.6 GAR

but yeah Hoglander definitely has more value lol.

Lou fired Trotz because of Wahlstrom, that is a fact. Would you like to bet money on this trade happening? The trade on draft night was 2022 1st, 2nd and Holmstrom. I know for a fact that Wahlstrom and Raty aren't available in any Miller trade

Speaking of poor contracts , the Canucks have 16 mill tied up into 3 #6 D, OEL, Myers and Poolman. Have fun wasting Hughes prime, he'll be in America when his contract is up.

Lol Wahlstrom played 16 more games so you just proved my point with GAR. Also Hoglander WAR is higher. He is also younger, has a better ppg. Only 4 point of Hoglander 45 have come on the pp compared 18 of Wahlstrom's 45. Dudes feasting on the pp. So I think Hoglander has more value.

They actually have the same WAR, but go off man !

20-21 goal and primary assist rates at EVEN STRENGTH

Hoglander: .94 goals per 60, .39 primary assists per 60

Wahlstrom: 1.04 goals per 60, .26 primary assists per 60



21-22 goal and primary assist rates at even strength

Hoglander: .75 goals per 60 , .19 primary assists per 60

Wahlstrom: .64 goals per 60, .48 primary assists per 60


Interesting , by your comment I would have thought Hoglander would have a much higher rate numbers.


It doesn't matter what you think of their value. It matters what the isles think of him, I know for a fact that they see Wahlstrom as a player that compliments Mat Barzal. In their ice time together they have had a ton of chemistry.

Hoglanders most frequent linemates last season: Bo Hornet and Elias Pettersson

Wahlstroms most frequent linemates last season: JG pageau and Zach parise

Hoglanders quality of teammates is significantly higher than Wahlstrom's. If they switched roles Wahlstrom's even strength rates would be much higher than Hoglanders considering increasing a players QOT leads to more production.

Hoglander QOC is higher than his QOT but go off. Wahlstroms. QOC and QOT are the same. Also Hoglanders WAR is 10% higher than Wahlstroms according to TopDownHockey. Wahlstroms start more shifts in the offensive zone. I think any player playing third line minutes against grade a compétition is going to have a harder time than a player that is playing fourth line minutes against third/ fourth line players. Any player with 27 even strength points in 126 games doesn't inspire confidence whoever you try to justify it. If you watch both players Hoglander is easily the more noticable and dynamic player.

It’s hilarious that you completely ignored the goal and primary assist rates because it doesn’t fit your narrative. “27 even strength points in 126 games” but you don’t like when I put Wahlstrom and Hoglander on the Same playing field by seeing how productive they are in the minutes they get. If Hoglander is that much better than Wahlstrom, then why aren’t his goal and primary assist rates at even strength much higher?

QOC means very little, everyone who understands analytics knows that quality of teammste affects production more than anything else. Everyone plays against everyone for the most part, unless you’re around 1-2% QOC, you’re not sheltered, but I guess I shouldn’t expect you to know that after your comments. You’re also using zone starts which is another meaningless thing to mention. Most starts are on the fly.

A player who plays with top 6 forwards against elite competition will have an easier time producing than a player who plays with bottom 6 players against mediocre competition. That is a fact - increasing QOT leads to more production. Hoglander should have double the points considering he played with Horvat and pettersson

Hoglander will be a good player, but he was below replacement level this season despite playing with two top line centers. Do you know how hard that is to do? Lol

Hoglander is more like a play driving grinder, Wahlstrom is definitely the more dynamic of the two. He consistently makes high end plays, most of which his linemates can’t finish.

He’s going to be on Mat Barzals wing for a long time

Bro I think you need to actually watch both players and not just looks at analytics. Which you don't grasp to well because you don't seem to grasp context very well. Anybody that has watched both player knows you last comment is laughable. Don't respond I am done.

I have watched a ton of both players. The only reason you are triggered right now because it was easy to prove you wrong.

Wahlstrom consistently makes high end plays in the NHL, Hoglander does not. There’s a reason why Hoglanders point totals aren’t higher despite playing with stars.

Maybe one day Hoglander can pull off high end goal like this at even strength
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Oliver Wahlstrom with an absolute ripper. Goodness. #Isles pic.twitter.com/WKAXq9zzW0

— Rob Taub (@RTaub_) March 3, 2021

Normally I’d agree but blaming & firing Trotz is weak sauce. Lou is more the problem. This is still Garths team & LL has done squat to improve it. Trotz made the roster play better than it really is. Wahlstrom has been so so but has real potential to be very good. That can be said about so many young players & they all face the same challenge. Just do it.

In denial if the owners & new arena are not giving this an important priority to get this going right in a big way. Lou won’t finish the season without making splash & gets real success or Lambert is the messiah. Doubt the latter. Kadri is a band aid at best. Barzals years are quickly going to waste. Staying relevant in the Metro has to be the owners demand.