The point is he didn't come close. Eichel paced 94 points in the covid shortened season, still didn't hit 94 points though and was quite a ways off too

And my point is that's not a fair point to make

Laine doesn't belong here. And maybe Pettersson too - he of a career high of 68 points. I do like his upside though so I can understand having him in the top 10, he's just underperformed so far.

Neither is saying someone with 1 good season is better than someone with 5

Nathan won the cup and series over Edmonton other than that it's tough to find stats that has him over Leon. I'm not even bringing up mcdavid. Mathews has one 50 goal season Leon has two. Mathews has one season 100+ points Leon has two. I'm just saying there is a very fair arguement why Leon could be put as second best.

Well you didn't say that, and if you're going to argue priors it should be totally fair game to say that all signs point to Hughes continuing to get better, and even if he flatlines here he's better than Zibanejad.

It's also bad faith to say that a 21 year old had bad seasons as an 18/19 year old, especially after being significantly above a point per game as a 20 year old

There really isn't because it's very easy to explain Leon's success by him playing with McDavid. Is Leon better than Matthews in my opinion? Yes, was he last year? No. The problem with Leon is he's horrible defensively. So as many points as he puts up he still bleeds chances against

I said in a post earlier (not at you specifically) that this is probably based on multiple seasons.if it wasn't Matthews would be rank 1, since he was the clear best player in the league last year.

As for Hyighes, I never said anything about his play at 19. I said I can see him passing Zib this upcoming season

You said he's had one good season which would be his 20 year old season. The implication is that his 19 year old season was not good

Can't say that Leon's success is driven by Connor when they spend more time apart 5-5. Out of all three players in the conversation as second best in the league Leon might have the weakest 5-5 wingers. Granted he scores alot on a very lethal pp but it's very easy to argue he's why that pp is so lethal he's the finisher.

Maximum Hyperbole.

Almost as compelling of a case as my original comment haha. Its fine if you think Chabot is better but I disagree.

I’m obv biased but how are Pelech and Pulock not at least honorable mentions. They are both top 20 defensemen, so I’d imagine they’d be top 10 at their respective positions

Thats putting words into my mouth to make my truth spund like an insult

If something isn't good, that means it's not good?

Alright lets just make everything clear. Leon is a fantastic player, I am not arguing that at all. But he is simply not better than MacKinnon. The 5v5 scoring rate clearly favours Mac. Leon does spend a lot more time at 5v5 away from Connor but they do spend about 23% of his time together where there is a massive boost in his GF and CF

Sure man, he was no where close to a top 10 forward in his 1st 2 years. Happy?

That's correct. It's still unrelated to how good he is now, which is better than Zibanejad

Highly debatable. Zib was still a PPG the last 2 years and well over it the year before that. At this exact moment I would certainly rank Zib above Hughes simply because Hughes hasn't proven to be consistently better or even produce more despite having a higher ppg

If you think this year is gonna be an outlier for Hughes you haven't watched him play

Where did I say it was? I clear said "Hughes could pass him after this season" earlier in the thread

Man you have some crazy insecurities that probably go way past hockey discussions. Should probably see someone about that

If we're going with insults instead of discussion, your reading comprehension is poor. You can't say Zibanejad is better than Hughes because he has a better past, but then say Hughes' future is off limits. My point was also not primarily that Hughes will be better, it's that he's so obviously good that you shouldn't argue he's unproven.

My main point still stands, you can't use prior seasons if you're arguing Zibanejad is better right now.

You are the one with poor reading comprehension. You keep taking what I say and twisting it around completely.

You can actually use the past as a benchmark. Because is proves consistency. Zib clearly had more points last year than Hughes and was a driving force in the Rangers making the semi finals. Zib will very likely finish at a point per game pace again this season since history shows that he has done that.

You can't however use the future as a benchmark because that's unpredictable. Hughes did have a higher ppg last year but still had less production overall. He could very well outproduce Zib this year but there is no proof he will.

Im done talking here you are clearly way to biased to have any logical conversation with

I was gonna leave you alone, but then someone else pointed out to me that Zibanejad has only broken a point per game in two of his NHL seasons, and in one of them he only played 57 games so despite his 107 point pace it's worth less by your logic

Agree to disagree then. Cheers.