I don't think this is a bad trade in terms of value at all for the wild, I just don't think they would consider it, but who am I to know. I think Greenway is seen as immensely valuable to the team.

I agree with this post. Good value but, I don't know if they would part with Greenway. I also think you would probably get at least a 3rd for Kerfoot.

if the leafs weren't over the cap i would agree with that. however teams know the leafs have to make a move and i think they'll be lucky if they dont have to pay to move kerfoot/holl

Minnesota declines. We aren't trading dumba and Greenway for Nylander when we let fiala go for same reason. Oh yeah for the millionth time, we aren't taking on cap dump holl, or ld we don't need when we are stacked. Greenway wasn't given extension to be traded

Title: A+
Trades: F

And also why would leaf’s even do this? There losing a top 20 forward, and a potential top 4 pairing. So this is just not the greatest for both sides

Greenway is only good at elbowing goalies in the head as he cuts through the crease. Leafs are better without him.

Leafs aren't over the cap. I'm not convinced they are making any further moves.

yea leafs are over the cap. they have to make a move

No they are not, no they do not. I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time we had this conversation. https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3613070

They're $1.4M over they cap right now. Currently, the cap ceiling is $82.5M, and the Leafs currently sit at $83.9M.

This isn't hyperbole, it's fact.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

See that red? It means you're over the cap.

they aren't going to run a 20 man roster the entire season. what are you going to do if someone gets injured/sick.

Run a 19 man roster for one game then use free emergency call ups. Same plan as last year. Maybe ltir kicks in or we use emergency call ups.

Where's the red in my agm? These aren't final rosters. Being able to log into cap friendly and being able to understand what you are looking at are two different things. Just like every team that has ltir contracts are in the red.

I wasn't talking one iota about your acgm. That means absolutely nothing about the Leafs currently being over the cap.

I specifically linked CapFriendly's page on the Leafs directly... that's where the red is, and you don't need to log in or not to get that info.

And it shouldn't be difficult to understand that unless someone goes on IR, or gets moved, the team's staying in the red and over the cap. Running a team with anything less than a full 22 man roster in season is not only risky, it's downright malpractice and foolish planning. It's only ever going to bite you in the ass if you attempt it. Poor planning and wishful thinking don't bring success, ever. The Leafs got lucky it worked at all last year. It isn't sustainable and trying to do it multiple years in a row should be a fireable offense.

That red and roster means nothing. Every team using ltir is listed in the red. Leafs most likely start the season with a 20 man roster and will use emergency call ups if there is no ltir. The same plan they went with last season. Clearly this is the team they are going to training camp with. Maybe something happens and they do make a move but Leafs need zero trades to be cap compliant. If you doubt that just look at my agm.

No, you can't. Because the Leafs have no players on LTIR except Woll who's only making less then $800k and would be playing for the Marlies anyway. So the Leafs can't circumvent the cap that way either.

Listen, this is a cap issue. You can't ignore it, nor is it feasible to play and keep less then 22 men on your roster.

GOING WITH A 20 MAN ROSTER IS A BAD BAD IDEA!

they can use emergency call-ups the entire season but like you said it's a bad bad idea. if it comes to that dubas failed.

It is completely feasible and Toronto wasn't the only team to do it. I'm not sure if Toronto has anyone on ltir at the moment since it's only players from last season listed there. I'm not sure what dubas' plan is and I'm not very thrilled with his horrible offseason. But if dubas was moving money out he would have done it much earlier. It certainly seems like this is the team going to camp. Believe me when I say I hope I'm wrong.

Funny not a word when Vegas was using emergency call ups last season,

and how did that work out for them?

Fine, they went down hill after stone went down and they played with a full roster.

Leafs broke franchise records last season.

fine? knights didnt even make the playoffs

leafs didnt play with a 20 man roster last season.

No but it is how they started the season. 2 years in a row I believe. Knights were fine with the tight roster. It wasn't till they lost stone and ran a larger roster that their season went downhill.

I'm not sure why you're so eager for another month of horrible kerfoot trades. Most leafs fans aren't even aware that we can start the season cap compliant as is. I would say there is a 50/50 chance it stays this way.

Leafs mainly use the extra roster spots for bringing marlies up for some nhl pay as a bonus. I wouldn't call it optimal but it is far from disastrous. Besides one game of a 19 man roster (which all teams face when they have an in game injury) leafs can run the exact roster they want every night. With no issues. Since camp hasn't even started I have no clue what the ltir situation is.

i think leafs fans are aware it's just such a terrible idea that it's not worth it. dubas painted the team in a corner. he should have never signed engvall. playing a man short is going to put extra strain on your players leading to more injuries.