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Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 8, 2022
Published: Sep. 8, 2022
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Free Agent Signings
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3$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,250,000
8$7,500,000
4$3,400,000
2$2,800,000
2$1,250,000
1$875,000
1$875,000
2$825,000
1$775,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
4$4,000,000
1$3,000,000
Trades
NJD
  1. Meier, Timo [RFA Rights]
SJS
  1. Boqvist, Jesper [RFA Rights]
  2. Holtz, Alexander
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (NJD)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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23$84,000,000$82,610,833$422,500$3,650,000$1,389,167
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
UFA - 7
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RW, C
RFA - 1
$8,250,000$8,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
C
UFA - 4
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 8
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333
LW
RFA - 1
$4,000,000$4,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
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$762,500$762,500
RW
RFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$950,000$950,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$9,000,000$9,000,000
RD
NMC
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$3,250,000$3M)
RD
RFA - 3
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,400,000$4,400,000
RD
UFA - 4
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$2,800,000$2,800,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$775,000$775,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$875,000$875,000
RW
RFA - 2
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$825,000$825,000
LD
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Sep. 8, 2022 at 3:50 p.m.
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I hate this team
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not enough
Sep. 8, 2022 at 3:54 p.m.
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That goaltender tandem wont win a cup or get you even close
Sep. 8, 2022 at 4:23 p.m.
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not enough


Not enough and also too much. The Devils aren't gonna part with Holtz and their 2023 1st, so if the Sharks won't settle for less it's no deal.
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Sep. 8, 2022 at 4:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Despise
That goaltender tandem wont win a cup or get you even close


Not if Vanecek is the starter, that's for sure. Blackwood could still redeem himself as a legit starter.
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Sep. 8, 2022 at 4:38 p.m.
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Quoting: pretzelcoatl
Not enough and also too much. The Devils aren't gonna part with Holtz and their 2023 1st, so if the Sharks won't settle for less it's no deal.


If they make any kind of noise i dont mind the first
But not with AH
There's a whole lot to pick from and IF it's a rebuild it's helpful to get some good quality pieces Fitz has gotten
Sep. 8, 2022 at 4:55 p.m.
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Quoting: vapodz
not enough


Quoting: pretzelcoatl
Not enough and also too much. The Devils aren't gonna part with Holtz and their 2023 1st, so if the Sharks won't settle for less it's no deal.


As a sharks fan i like the trade... But i don't love it. Holtz or Mercer are the starters for Meier and you have Holtz here so we would absolutly be listening.
but while i like Boqvist, sharks are more than set at LW/C position. what we really need is a really good LD or RD prospect with top 4 potential or another 1st.
if you aren't willing to do Holtz or Mercer and the 23 1st. could we would love to talk Holtz one of your top D prospects (obviously not Nemec)
food for though, a few options I think most sharks fans would be happy with

Holtz + 24 1st for Meier
Mercer + the 23 1st for Meier
Holtz or Mercer plus Walsh or Marino and a 2nd for Meier.

Sharks would consider a 3rd or 4th rounder back to NJD also on any of these deals.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 5:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
As a sharks fan i like the trade... But i don't love it. Holtz or Mercer are the starters for Meier and you have Holtz here so we would absolutly be listening.
but while i like Boqvist, sharks are more than set at LW/C position. what we really need is a really good LD or RD prospect with top 4 potential or another 1st.
if you aren't willing to do Holtz or Mercer and the 23 1st. could we would love to talk Holtz one of your top D prospects (obviously not Nemec)
food for though, a few options I think most sharks fans would be happy with

Holtz + 24 1st for Meier
Mercer + the 23 1st for Meier
Holtz or Mercer plus Walsh or Marino and a 2nd for Meier.

Sharks would consider a 3rd or 4th rounder back to NJD also on any of these deals.


Marino is worth more than Walsh and Boqvist, so that's a non-starter. To be completely honest, even though Meier is significantly better, Holtz's ELC is more valuable to the Devils. Why would we trade that cap space away when we can use it to sign major pieces or fit true rentals in under the cap?

Some counter offers:
Gritsyuk/Casey/Severson + 1st (flip Sevo with retention for another 1st+)
2 Prospects + 1st (Hughes, Holtz, Mercer, Nemec, Gritsyuk, Casey off limits)
Gritsyuk/Casey/Severson + Prospect + 2nd
Sep. 8, 2022 at 5:43 p.m.
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Quoting: pretzelcoatl
Marino is worth more than Walsh and Boqvist, so that's a non-starter. To be completely honest, even though Meier is significantly better, Holtz's ELC is more valuable to the Devils. Why would we trade that cap space away when we can use it to sign major pieces or fit true rentals in under the cap?

Some counter offers:
Gritsyuk/Casey/Severson + 1st (flip Sevo with retention for another 1st+)
2 Prospects + 1st (Hughes, Holtz, Mercer, Nemec, Gritsyuk, Casey off limits)
Gritsyuk/Casey/Severson + Prospect + 2nd


and you have to understand while i see your reasoning and feel that your not wrong, none of those trades really provide us what we need in a Meier trade. all reasonable but none really excite me. Meier is a borderline Elite LW power forward and those don’t come around very often. sharks would need a legit top prospect with a high ceiling and a 1st. while all the prospects you mentioned have fairly solid ceilings, none of them are superior to the prospects we already have in house. Mercer Hugh’s Nemec and Holtz are all above every one of our current prospects (excluding Eklund) and that’s why one of them is necessary to us.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 5:45 p.m.
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Quoting: pretzelcoatl
Not if Vanecek is the starter, that's for sure. Blackwood could still redeem himself as a legit starter.


I just don’t see him having that in him, he’s always hurt and doesn’t seem like he can handle the workload.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 5:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
and you have to understand while i see your reasoning and feel that your not wrong, none of those trades really provide us what we need in a Meier trade. all reasonable but none really excite me. Meier is a borderline Elite LW power forward and those don’t come around very often. sharks would need a legit top prospect with a high ceiling and a 1st. while all the prospects you mentioned have fairly solid ceilings, none of them are superior to the prospects we already have in house. Mercer Hugh’s Nemec and Holtz are all above every one of our current prospects (excluding Eklund) and that’s why one of them is necessary to us.


Seems like the Devils aren't the destination then
Sep. 8, 2022 at 5:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Despise
I just don’t see him having that in him, he’s always hurt and doesn’t seem like he can handle the workload.


To be fair, he had multiple different injuries and covid over the course of the past two seasons. He looked legit to start 2021, and by the time he recovered from covid he got hurt. He was perfectly fine with the workload he had in 2019-20, posted a .915 and a positive GSAx (moneypuck) playing 47 of 69 games.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 5:55 p.m.
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Quoting: pretzelcoatl
Seems like the Devils aren't the destination then


Time will tell. I think the value will ebb anf flow as the season progresses, If Mercer or Holtz look good this year they are off limits, if one struggles and Meier has another monster year like last year then a struggling Mercer or Holtz plus the 23 1st might pick up steam. especially if NJD are just outside the playoff bubble.

To be fair if the sharks had Mercer and Holtz I would be against trading them as well so I'm not on here arguing your stance, just hoping we could make the deal since sharks are sorely lacking a top line RW while having multiple solid LW/ C options.
In addition if Meier agrees to resign long term with the Sharks there will be no trade.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 6:58 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
Time will tell. I think the value will ebb anf flow as the season progresses, If Mercer or Holtz look good this year they are off limits, if one struggles and Meier has another monster year like last year then a struggling Mercer or Holtz plus the 23 1st might pick up steam. especially if NJD are just outside the playoff bubble.

To be fair if the sharks had Mercer and Holtz I would be against trading them as well so I'm not on here arguing your stance, just hoping we could make the deal since sharks are sorely lacking a top line RW while having multiple solid LW/ C options.
In addition if Meier agrees to resign long term with the Sharks there will be no trade.


Arseni Gritsyuk is not fair behind Holtz and Mercer. He is probably the player with highest upside that could be attached to a 1st round pick.

Nolan Foote, Fabian Zetterlund, Reilly Walsh, Seamus Casey, Chase Stillman…all these types are solid prospects, but are replaceable in any draft.

Gritsyuk would be the guy I’d look at.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 7:04 p.m.
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Arseni Gritsyuk is not fair behind Holtz and Mercer. He is probably the player with highest upside that could be attached to a 1st round pick.

Nolan Foote, Fabian Zetterlund, Reilly Walsh, Seamus Casey, Chase Stillman…all these types are solid prospects, but are replaceable in any draft.

Gritsyuk would be the guy I’d look at.


But hes a LW and the Sharks don't need any more LW or LHS guys.
And the rest of the guys you mentioned we have prospects that are comparable, if you trade a top line 35 goal scoring wing who is only 25 you need a Prospect and a 1st that will change your trajectory.
when trading a guy in his prime for futures the futures have to have the potential to far outweigh the piece you move otherwise it's not worth it.
The team getting the player in his prime is almost guaranteed a level of production where the team getting futures is getting a high upside bet. this works because your giving up production now for future production.
in this case NJD hope is Holtz or Mercer become as good as Meier, but better is a stretch. thats why the 1st is important.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 7:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks
But hes a LW and the Sharks don't need any more LW or LHS guys.
And the rest of the guys you mentioned we have prospects that are comparable, if you trade a top line 35 goal scoring wing who is only 25 you need a Prospect and a 1st that will change your trajectory.
when trading a guy in his prime for futures the futures have to have the potential to far outweigh the piece you move otherwise it's not worth it.
The team getting the player in his prime is almost guaranteed a level of production where the team getting futures is getting a high upside bet. this works because your giving up production now for future production.
in this case NJD hope is Holtz or Mercer become as good as Meier, but better is a stretch. thats why the 1st is important.


If Sharks aim for a rebuilding period, I wouldn’t worry too much about R/L, especially for a wing.

I hear you on futures for current players discussion, but I do not think Meier would return a prospect that projects to be as good or better than him. Make a list of the top-25 or so prospects in NHL and you’d be pretty safe to assume none of them are available.

My rough back of envelope list: Power, Hughes, Beniers, Edvinsson, Nemec, Cooley, McTavish, Wright, Sanderson, Slafkovsky, Byfield, Quinn, Holtz, Perfetti, Eklund, Johnston, Guenther, Coronato, Jiricek, Wallstedt, Reichel, Johnson, Savoie, Clarke…(probably forgetting some obvious ones).

Then add in top rookies/young players like Seider, Zegras, Raymond, Jarvis, Lundell, Mercer, Byram, Boldy, Caufield, Knight, Schneider…etc and you can get a pretty long list of untouchable players.

Aim for a return like Minnesota got from Los Angeles for Fiala (Faber and 1st) and it would be realistic.
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Sep. 8, 2022 at 7:58 p.m.
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Aim for a return like Minnesota got from Los Angeles for Fiala (Faber and 1st) and it would be realistic.


It'll get closer to a Fiala comp if SJ let it get to the situation MN was in, but right now it's not a good comparison because SJ would be able to pay Meier and would probably want to. I'd expect it to be more in SJ's favor if the trade is happening now to the TDL, assuming Meier is playing like he did last season.
Sep. 8, 2022 at 8:02 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
If Sharks aim for a rebuilding period, I wouldn’t worry too much about R/L, especially for a wing.

I hear you on futures for current players discussion, but I do not think Meier would return a prospect that projects to be as good or better than him. Make a list of the top-25 or so prospects in NHL and you’d be pretty safe to assume none of them are available.

My rough back of envelope list: Power, Hughes, Beniers, Edvinsson, Nemec, Cooley, McTavish, Wright, Sanderson, Slafkovsky, Byfield, Quinn, Holtz, Perfetti, Eklund, Johnston, Guenther, Coronato, Jiricek, Wallstedt, Reichel, Johnson, Savoie, Clarke…(probably forgetting some obvious ones).

Then add in top rookies/young players like Seider, Zegras, Raymond, Jarvis, Lundell, Mercer, Byram, Boldy, Caufield, Knight, Schneider…etc and you can get a pretty long list of untouchable players.

Aim for a return like Minnesota got from Los Angeles for Fiala (Faber and 1st) and it would be realistic.


well the hope is he signs long term and we don’t have to bother looking for a trade.
i would expect a better return for Meier than Debrincat or Fiala, but your right not much more.
and when rebuilding you want a bunch of players fighting for spots, but you also have to make sure you have a balanced depth. this is easier to accomplish in trades, in the draft you grab the best available because you never know what you’ll have in 2-3 years when that player is NHL ready.
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