That is pretty much meaningless. These metrics change the goal posts on a monthly basis. Jfresh is an utter joke! I dont use these metrics as gospel lilke some do here as it shows they actually dont watch the product. Use it as a baseline, I agree with you!

You realize MSL was coaching PeeWee last year? This is a developmental coach not an NHL caliber coach. I really dont take a lot of these result seriously when you have a coach that has openly said hes learning on the fly!

Nobody is defending players doing bad. Is it so outrageous to say a player's value does not go from being a waiver wire player to being worth multiple draft picks? Seriously man. What has he done to suddenly boost his value THAT MUCH in 13 games?

Using an 82 game sample size is a whole lot more convincing than a 13 game sample size. Kovacevic has done nothing in 13 games to suddenly turn his value from waiver player to multiple draft pick trade value

Yeah, except being in the 90th percentile for defensemen as a rookie but I doubt you can understand that...



...Based on that particular comment lol.

But he isn't 90th percentile. What part of projected do you not understand?

Lol what? He is, for now. The only reason it says projected is because the season is not over.

That isn't quite how it works. It is the projected WAR based on this small sample size. Horvat is projected be like 99th percentile in goals and is on pace for 70+. Doesn't mean he is going to hit that. Doesn't mean his value is now that of a 70 goal scorer. You're still not understanding. 13 games does not make a player go from a waiver wire pickup to being worth multiple draft picks.

So it's wrong when you say he hasn't done anything in those 13 games, since he had to actually do something to be in a percentile that high in the first place.

Good players go on waivers all the time and their values aren't set in stone afterwards. Kovacevic was claimed with the first priority, is right-handed, dominated the AHL last year and has two more years of contract below league minimum. If the Canucks are fine with their worse defensemen and aren't willing to pay for an upgrade, it's fine.

So basically his AHL pedigree and 13 games of "dominance" suddenly makes him better than proven NHL defensemen? Our RHD is not great but Kovacevic wouldn't crack our lineup

Based on this season, can't tell for previous seasons because he wasn't in the big league, he absolutely would crack Vancouver's d-core by a wide margin over some of the regulars. Cracking a lineup is about current play, not what "proven players" have done in past seasons.

Again, if the Canucks aren't willing to pay to upgrade it's totally up to them and it's not even what initiated the argument - it was you saying he's statistically among the worst Ds in the league, which he's simply not. The Habs likely aren't considering the package above anyways. Kovacevic and his contract hold more value to them.

Anyways, I'm muting this thread because you've gone so back and forth in your arguments that I've lost track, and I won't be willing to continue when I wake up tomorrow.

You're finally going to go away? Well it is about time. I also don't need to waste anymore of my time arguing whether or not a waiver wire depth/ AHL defenseman has the value of 2 draft picks after being on waivers a month ago

Rich Peverley for top prospect Blake Wheeler? Steve Sullivan for two 2nd? Dominic Moore for a 2nd? Bryzgalov for two 3rd? Michael Grabner for 5 prospects?

They all were claimed, then traded by the same team. There's also Mark Recchi, claimed off waivers by Atlanta, then signed with TB the year after, then they traded him at TDL.

Claimed and traded within 2 months?

I don't know why 2 months or a year would change anything. If he's what the other team need, they shouldn't trade for him because he was on waivers 2 months ago?

Realistically a player doesn’t go from a waiver wire pickup to being worth multiple draft picks. Kovacevic is a career AHL player. He hasn’t done anything particularly note worthy to make him suddenly this valuable. Heck even Ethan Bear didn’t cost multiple draft picks and he has proven NHL top 4 experience

I agree he must not be worth alot.