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Zaitsev had Ottawa on his no trade list back in 2019

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Team: 2022-23 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 21, 2022
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But something happened that convinced Zaitsev to waive it.


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    Nov. 21, 2022 at 3:08 p.m.
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    Myers is marginally better and $1.5 million more expensive, no thanks.
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    Nov. 21, 2022 at 3:08 p.m.
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    DJ Smith going to Ottawa happened thats probs it.

    So what would probs have to happen is DJ Smith gets fired along with Boudreau and Van hires Smith.

    Does that happen together probs no
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 3:15 p.m.
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    Myers is marginally better and $1.5 million more expensive, no thanks.


    The idea behind this swap is that both teams get something out of it.

    Ottawa gets a RD that can play.

    Vancouver gets cap space.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:03 p.m.
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    You think he would maybe accept to possibly get a new chance to play in the NHL. Either he doesn't care about his career or he really likes/ doesn't want to move from Ontario.
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    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:07 p.m.
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    Quoting: sens65
    Myers is marginally better and $1.5 million more expensive, no thanks.


    Quoting: sensonfire
    The idea behind this swap is that both teams get something out of it.

    Ottawa gets a RD that can play.

    Vancouver gets cap space.


    Ottawa would need to add
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:12 p.m.
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    The idea behind this swap is that both teams get something out of it.

    Ottawa gets a RD that can play.

    Vancouver gets cap space.


    Doesn't Ottawa need the cap space more though? Or are just going to cut costs everywhere else. They would have 24.4m or to allocate to 12 guys, perhaps the most notable being DeBrincat, Zub, starter (Talbot), and Pinto. If we are generous and say 8+4+3+2.5m for them, that leaves 6.9m for another 8 if they run a 21 man roster.

    Better off trading Pinto+a 1st+Zaitsev for Chychrun imo if ARZ is willing to do that deal.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:14 p.m.
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    Ottawa would need to add


    According to the Donnie & Dhali show, Vancouver would be adding because of Myers' 5 million dollar signing bonus.

    Not Ottawa.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:21 p.m.
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    Doesn't Ottawa need the cap space more though? Or are just going to cut costs everywhere else. They would have 24.4m or to allocate to 12 guys, perhaps the most notable being DeBrincat, Zub, starter (Talbot), and Pinto. If we are generous and say 8+4+3+2.5m for them, that leaves 6.9m for another 8 if they run a 21 man roster.

    Better off trading Pinto+a 1st+Zaitsev for Chychrun imo if ARZ is willing to do that deal.


    Chychrun is a LD and we need a RD that can log a ton of minutes without the wheels falling off the bus.

    We also need to get rid of Zaitsev.

    This is one of the few, if only, ways to do it.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    According to the Donnie & Dhali show, Vancouver would be adding because of Myers' 5 million dollar signing bonus.

    Not Ottawa.


    Ott wants van to add, I think Myers is heading to a team trying to cut budget and make the floor next year, 1m in salary owed, 6m in cap hit, its a dream player for the ducks or the desert dogs
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    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:26 p.m.
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    The idea behind this swap is that both teams get something out of it.

    Ottawa gets a RD that can play.

    Vancouver gets cap space.


    Ottawa gets a massive cap crunch next year while anchored to a guy nobody wants.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:27 p.m.
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    Ott wants van to add, I think Myers is heading to a team trying to cut budget and make the floor next year, 1m in salary owed, 6m in cap hit, its a dream player for the ducks or the desert dogs


    That would cost you a 1st round pick and future considerations.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:30 p.m.
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    Ottawa gets a massive cap crunch next year while anchored to a guy nobody wants.


    Nobody wants Zaitsev either and we desperately need a NHL-ready RD that can play.

    Without one, we might be missing the playoffs by the time this road trip is over.
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    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    That would cost you a 1st round pick and future considerations.


    to send him to a team that needs to meet the salary floor who needs RD and doesnt want to keep their payroll down and who need vets? hes not what he used to be but hes still a $4m defender.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:35 p.m.
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    Nobody wants Zaitsev either and we desperately need a NHL-ready RD that can play.

    Without one, we might be missing the playoffs by the time this road trip is over.


    A lateral move won't change anything. We can either acquire a top-four defenceman or keep what we have. Trading for another cap dump won't change our fortunes at all.
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    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:40 p.m.
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    Chychrun is a LD and we need a RD that can log a ton of minutes without the wheels falling off the bus.

    We also need to get rid of Zaitsev.

    This is one of the few, if only, ways to do it.


    Nah, packaging Zaitsev in a trade for RD (ideally) is the key. However, if they can't get a RD, then Chychrun is the guy, even though he's not as good as advertised. They can then move one of their of their LD to the off-side or roll 3 defensive pairings, the way Tampa did or how NSH is doing now.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:41 p.m.
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    to send him to a team that needs to meet the salary floor who needs RD and doesnt want to keep their payroll down and who need vets? hes not what he used to be but hes still a $4m defender.


    If he's a $4m defender with a cap hit of $6m and a signing bonus of $5m, that means he has negative value.

    You will be paying assets to dump Myers, not receiving them.

    Sorry to burst your bubble.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:45 p.m.
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    A lateral move won't change anything. We can either acquire a top-four defenceman or keep what we have. Trading for another cap dump won't change our fortunes at all.


    The only top 4 defenceman available right now is Chychrun.

    And Arizona wants an Eichel-like return.

    Furthermore, we need help on the right side of our defence, not the left.

    Something has to give.
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    Nov. 21, 2022 at 4:49 p.m.
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    Nah, packaging Zaitsev in a trade for RD (ideally) is the key. However, if they can't get a RD, then Chychrun is the guy, even though he's not as good as advertised. They can then move one of their of their LD to the off-side or roll 3 defensive pairings, the way Tampa did or how NSH is doing now.


    Chychrun is currently injured and Arizona wants an Eichel-like return.

    The only top 4 RD whose team is trying to trade him is EK65 and he has a NMC.

    Something has to give.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 5:00 p.m.
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    Quoting: sensonfire
    If he's a $4m defender with a cap hit of $6m and a signing bonus of $5m, that means he has negative value.

    You will be paying assets to dump Myers, not receiving them.

    Sorry to burst your bubble.


    Signing bonus paid July 1, after that hes a 6m player being owed 1m, sorry I wasnt clear
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 5:02 p.m.
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    Chychrun is currently injured and Arizona wants an Eichel-like return.

    The only top 4 RD whose team is trying to trade him is EK65 and he has a NMC.

    Something has to give.


    Chychrun makes his debut today, has 4 games this week, and I think another 3 next week. We will be past the quarter mark, so it might be too late for Ottawa, but it's not like Zaitsev is a ufa, there's still a year more of him, and Chychrun would have 2 more years too. Chychrun probably gets showcased for the next 2-3 weeks, then traded.

    Their ask is high but if Ottawa can pay it and dump Zaitsev at no extra cost, then I think it's fair for both sides considering Chychrun is injury prone.

    Pinto (or 2024 1st instead) +2023 1st top (top 10 protected) + a 3rd + Zaitsev for Chychrun and maybe they can throw another warm body if Ottawa doesn't have internal options.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 5:03 p.m.
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    Chychrun makes his debut today, has 4 games this week, and I think another 3 next week. We will be past the quarter mark, so it might be too late for Ottawa, but it's not like Zaitsev is a ufa, there's still a year more of him, and Chychrun would have 2 more years too. Chychrun probably gets showcased for the next 2-3 weeks, then traded.


    We'll see what happens.
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    Nov. 21, 2022 at 5:27 p.m.
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    The only top 4 defenceman available right now is Chychrun.

    And Arizona wants an Eichel-like return.

    Furthermore, we need help on the right side of our defence, not the left.

    Something has to give.


    Counterpoint: Myers is not good at all, and his contract gives him negative value. I don't know what the solution is, but it definitely isn't Myers.
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    Nov. 21, 2022 at 5:31 p.m.
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    Counterpoint: Myers is not good at all, and his contract gives him negative value. I don't know what the solution is, but it definitely isn't Myers.


    Counterpoint to the counterpoint: I don't know what the solution is, but it definitely isn't keeping Zaitsev around while watching another losing season go by either.
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 5:37 p.m.
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    Myers is marginally better and $1.5 million more expensive, no thanks.


    He's slow as molasses now too

    Zaitsev buyout is the best option

    Quoting: sensonfire
    Counterpoint to the counterpoint: I don't know what the solution is, but it definitely isn't keeping Zaitsev around while watching another losing season go by either.


    Zaitsev is now in Belleville, he has no bearing on how the team does. He's in the exact same position as Del Zotto last season

    And he'll get bought out as well next summer.

    No brainer for a money conscious franchise : 1.67 M$ cost spread over 2 years.

    Getting Myers is the worst possible solution
    Nov. 21, 2022 at 5:49 p.m.
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    He's slow as molasses now too

    Zaitsev buyout is the best option



    Zaitsev is now in Belleville, he has no bearing on how the team does. He's in the exact same position as Del Zotto last season

    And he'll get bought out as well next summer.

    No brainer for a money conscious franchise : 1.67 M$ cost spread over 2 years.

    Getting Myers is the worst possible solution


    The worst possible solution would be watching another losing season go by when we're trying to sell the team.
     
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