Sakic isn't giving up Newhook for a rental in Bo Horvat, And Colorado doesn't have the cap space to afford Horvat at either $8,000,000 or $8,500,000 per long term.

Who are you to judge? Avs won't get Horvat for any less, and Newhook alone isn't enough to get Bo

I'm good with the young center core. Bo pushes Avs to another level.

LOL! Simply no. Newhook and a first is a maybe if the Avs could extend Horvat but they can't so the point is moot.

No thanks from the Rangers, rather keep Chytil.

Well it was just Newhook...

There is an offer that actually seems somewhat sensible for the Rangers to reject

LOL! Still won't happen as a rental.

Newhook is a minimum. Av’s homers neither understand the cup window is now & they ignore that along with that they could resign Horvat if they really want to. Many contracts come off the books. A far better chance of repeating with Horvat than Newhook as 2C. Av’s have the D but not the C depth.

Yes they can extend

No they actually can't extend and retain any kind of depth. Can they extend in a vacuum? Of course they can, any team can if they want to gut the rest of the team. Can they extend realistically? Absolutely not. As for your Avs homer comment (though I'm not even sure I should deign to respond to it), we know full well how long our team's cup window is open for because we actually follow that team. That's why we keep telling you canuckleheads it won't work but you won't listen. Because we know OUR team. Show me a REALISTIC Avs team for next year with Horvat extended at 8 mil plus (as that's the figure that's being bandied about as a MINIMUM) in addition to MacKinnon's extension and Byram re-signed at a realistic figure, and the rest of the team not gutted. I'll wait with bated breath!

Example: Avs trade Newhook and the '24 1st to the Canucks for Horvat and Horvat is willing to sign 7 years at 8 mil per. Byram signs a 3 year bridge at 4.5 mil per. EJ comes back on a 1 year league minimum deal (775k- very unlikely he does that). MacKinnon's extension kicks in adding 6.3 mil to his hit. The Avs have a roster of 17 signed, Landeskog, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Lehkonen, Nichushkin, Horvat, Makar, Toews, Girard, Byram, Manson, Johnson, Georgiev, Francouz, MacDonald, O'Connor, MacDermid, that leaves 2.95 mil to sign a further 6 players to run a full roster. Even if the Avs run a short roster it's still extremely tight to sign even the minimum 3 required, and the depth quality is going to suffer. The top 6 and D are great, bottom 6 and depth are woeful. You don't win with just two lines, and God help them if they hit injury troubles again like this year! It also basically guarantees one of Toews or Girard are gone the following year.

Honestly asking, besides that Bo has a year left, is the idea in Coloraro going ahead that Byram and Newhook bridge and hope they take that next step while on a bridge deal (I don't see how they can sign either of those two with term/big cap hits)? Bo would certainly be a significant upgrade over Newhook in many different ways.

There's no question that Horvat would be an upgrade over Newhook at present (who knows about the future, none of us has a crystal ball that I'm aware of, if anyone on here does I'll have the winning lottery numbers please and screw the hockey), I'll put that to bed first off, that's never been a question or part of the issue for me, and I think I've always been clear on that in my answers. As for the question regarding the extensions, I can't answer that for the front office in Denver of course but can only give my personal take on it, which is often at variance with other Avs fans. I don't think Newhook's extension will be massive as he's only played just over a season and a half's worth of games in total by the time his contract is due, and hasn't shown enough YET. However that lower cap hit is also why he will be so valuable and I expect a bridge there while the cap goes up, and a kind of prove it scenario. Whilst the cap affects everyone, the stagnation couldn't have come at a worse time for the Avs but that's another issue. Byram however is more the question mark contract-wise. There seem to be two main lines of thinking amongst Avs fans. The first is sign him to as much as we reasonably can cap and term-wise for as long as possible. The second is a 3 yr bridge (which I personally favour) if we can do it around the 4.5-5 mil mark so he hits RFA again, gets paid, but by the time the cap goes up again there should be play there to give him the big deal. Also at the end of that 3 years Manson's contract is up so in theory there are additional funds there as well, albeit Manson would need to be replaced too.

After you try an ACGM for the Av’s I’ll follow suit. Easier for us both to show proof than making unfounded claims. I follow the Av’s more than other fanbases realize. I suggest it’s a retool & the D depth is fine to do so.

Just edited my post for you. Now you do the same and show me how you're making it work. The onus of proof is on you. Even with 5 guys on the roster signing league minimum deals and one on less (MacDonald) including EJ, the Avs are over cap with a 21 man roster. Oh and btw that's with a 4 mil cap increase......we still don't know if it will be 1, 4 or somewhere in between as far as I'm aware.

Yeah, we know. We don't want Horvat, but we get inundated with trade proposals anyway. It's really fun when smarmy Canucks fans tell us we it'll cost more players we want to keep for a player we don't want.

How cute, a Canucks fan talking about a Cup window

You forgot "Bad ... ...

As someone pointed out, the rangers aren't moving Chytil. He's currently on pace to put up close to .75 ppg WITHOUT pp1 time.
We're going to resign him, and we wouldn't be adding garland's salary without moving something else big.
While rathbone is a potential fit for us, we'd likely want to move hajek and a pick or something, rather than getting weaker up the middle, to fill a LD need.

Still waiting......

I refrained from hitting that one but you went there!

Wasn't aimed at me but I did it just for fun

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3814712

Fair dues to you for making the attempt but I'd say you've shown just why it's such a bad idea for the Avs, but at least you were willing to 'put up' so props for that.