Teuvo is the odd man out there, hes aces defensively but his production has fallen off a cliff to a point 5mil into this 30s is the one i think they dont need to make.

If you were to get Horvat the play would likely be to dump KK because a 3C making almost 5 isnt a luxury a team can afford when paying their top 2Cs that much and n offense to KK but hes not some jordan staal on the penguins 3C.

to me you kind of proved to me that it could work if the cap raise by 7. nothingnis forcing ypu to sign turbo or pac, you could get a cheaper winger to replace them and it qould be quite easy to dress a full roster.

If he'd sign for 7-7.5 mil Carolina should find a way to make that work but he already turned down 8 mil which is crazy for a 50 point average 2C.

Let pacioretty walk. Pay teuvo way more. Dillon is unnecessary. Should have an elc in that 6D spot. Staal is unnecessary at 4C. Add a elc or league min contract at 4C. Still probably have to shed somewhere else. It's complicated for sure but doable.

So sacrifice the depth to sign a 50 point C? You're proving my point. Carolina's entire identity is that they are the deepest team in the NHL. They don't have a certified top line, but they have a ton of lines that can hurt you. If the choice is losing Pacioretty, Staal, sacraficing a 6D, and still having to shed to add Horvat, there's the entire point made.

Pacioretty's been way too good to let walk. Especially since it sounds like he loves the area. Teuvo is still one of the best defensive wingers in the NHL. If the choice is Teuvo and Pacioretty or Horvat, I'd rather have the winger. I think any team in the league would.

Horvat is a big upgrade over Staal. Patches is too old. I wouldn't re-sign him either way. With that said I'm not a fan of horvat and wouldn't trade for him or sign him to a huge extension. He'd just fill Carolinas big hole at 2C

Staal is FAR better as a play driver and defensively than Horvat. Pacioretty is only 33. He's not even that old.

You then argue Carolina have a big hole at 2C, but that's not true in the slightest. No one on the roster right now is producing as a center, even Aho is having a down year. If they were that desperate for a 2C, Necas does everything Horvat does anyway, is better defensively, has game breaking speed... or there's Jarvis who is a lot more physical for a smaller guy, is smart, still very young. To say "big hole at 2C" is a lazy statement.

i'm not trying to be a dick but i'm surprised by that statement, i think most people would prefer a center over wingers since they play a more valuable position. also thats a personal opinion, but i have a hunch that if you traded for him you would love him, his playstyle would be perfect for the canes (the same way you feel pac is a must keep after only playing 4 games). im just saying if you traded for him and horvat shows he love the area too, too me its obvious who i choose to keep, and i believe if you saw him play for your team you might feel the same! but i know.its only what if scenarios and i dont want to pretend too much to know how you think.

A center is traditionally more valuable than a winger, that is true. But when you consider its both wingers, I take an issue with it. That's not a 1 for 1 situation, it's a 2 for one and I wouldn't trade Pacioretty and Teravainen for Horvat. That's the way I'm looking at that.

Horvat is not good enough defensively to fit the Canes needs. Pacioretty is different because he's a winger. He's come over and his kids are asking him to buy ice creams for kids that drop theres on the jumbotron, and he's loving the area, and he had the achillies injury and was so long awaited and he's open to staying here long term at a discoutn according to the Athletic which is majorly different. Horvat would be a rental because he's going to want more than Aho and that is ridiculous. If he's 7-7.5, as in this situation, it's more doable, but then you're subtracting elsewhere because you have to make the financial room. It doesn't make sense to do this. I'm sure he's a fan favorite, nothing against the guy. Just the financial and system fit seem to be a square peg in a round hole.

oh i definitly agree that i would not want to let go of both winger, just one of them. i also feel horvat is pretty good defensively, but the system the canucks has played in the last 10 years wont ever highlight anyone's defensive ability. but thanks for taking the time to answer.

See, you seem like a reasonable person, so I'm more than willing to take the time to have a discussion. But Horvat's underlyings (which are important to an analytically run franchise like the Hurricanes) are not good defensively and that is a major warning sign. It's why someone like O'Rielly in the long term might be a better fit. Even if the offense falls off, he's there defensively.

well i might be biased because i just feel he would be such an awesome adition to the canes and at the age of 27, he still can be have a lot of prime years over there. i remeber when horvat was playing junior, he was seens as the achetype of the defensive players, and i believe he would be a great fit even wothout the underlying stats. same with kk, the numbers were not pretty good with the habs but once with the canes he seemed a pretty decent fit. Pac also had bad statistical year with the habs when the team was bad, but his numbers were better with vegas with a better support cast.

but i get your point, they dont need horvat at all cost, but i personally think he would be such a good fit.