Lol, Colton is comparable to Beauvillier now, thanks for the laugh. As a Vancouver fan, I know you understand fantasy worlds better, as that is where Vancouver actually wins something, but in the real world...not so much. Lol at Colton bringing back a late 2nd or early 3rd, yes, 20 goal scorers on 3rd lines, with good defensive play and not nearly as many minutes as he would be getting on many teams might be fortunate to get a late 2nd...sure(not to mention rfa status and current and future contract value both likely less than what Beauvillier is making now). Great that Beauvillier is a year younger, both are still rfa and Colton isn't the one overpaid right now.

Colton hasnt been needed to play bigger minutes yet given Tampa's situation at F, not that he isnt more than capable of doing so. Tampa, if they even planned on moving him and were feeling generous, might take a very early 2nd+ for him, but more than likely a later 1st.

Again, you're assuming the pick lands here, Raty reaches this level, Beauvillier(who now apparently is worth Colton) will turn it around etc. Maybe those things happen, maybe not. The trade as is, is no masterpiece for Vancouver. It has the potential to reach an A level, but for now, it's an above average trade in the B to B+ range. You can spin it how you ljke, doesn’t change my evaluation of the trade return as fairly accurate. Keep believing that every piece will max out in terms of value, as a fan of any team would. However, that is far from some guarantee, which is why most evaluating the trade have it as a win for Vancouver, but not some amazing steal in value. A more reasonable take is that Vancouver received a 1st that may be mid 1st round and if the pick hits, a player that could be a good one in several years, a player that has done well internationally and has upside, but is no sure thing yet in the NHL, and a player that may return to a higher level with a change of scenery. Vancouver fans should be optimistic about the trade, but whether it's a long term success is very much in question depending how Raty and the pick turn out. I disagree with most of your player valuations, and I'm done responding to this. The trade went as I thought it would, and Vancouver got a solid return for a good 2C having what is probably a career year. You can continue to spin all you want, but I could care less.

Oh no the low blow of "your team is a loser".

We're making progress at least. Now Colton is worth a 2nd. Which is better the 15th pick or a 2nd? There is a reason he doesn't play more.

In terms of actual value as a player they are similar. Obviously with cap hits its different. That is why I said at 50% retained as an expiring contract he worth a 3rd. If it were you arguing it you'd say a first but I am able to at least be semi realistic.

I am evaluating the trade right now. It exceeded what I expected slightly. The value is something like the 16th pick (isles 1st), 35th (Raty), Beauvillier (pick next yr 3rd). Its a win for Canucks and we wont know more till thing develop but as it sits that is the evaluation. Your take was that 35th pick (Colton), 55th pick (Foote) and a third was the same value.

16, 35, 3rd

or

35, 55, 3rd

Those aren't close values and no I am not overvaluing any pieces. The pick sits at 14 right now. Isles have to leap frog one of Washington, NY, Pitt, they also have to leap frog Buffalo and stave off Florida to make the playoffs. Theyve played more games than almost all of those teams. Their chances of making the playoffs went from 14% to 18% with this trade. Please have some humility when you suggest it's going to be a 25th pick. I don't say it's going to be the 1st overall pick in 24' I'm just saying odds are its going to be in the 12-18 range and those are the actual odds not my feeling.