Edited Feb. 1, 2023 at 6:05 p.m.
Quoting: DefenseFirst
Alright, lets take this one by one - Frederic vs Garland. I think you’re taking a really overly simplistic approach, and kind of cherry picking too. If we’re talking career averages, what are we doing? I really don’t care what Garland did in arizona a couple years ago. Frederic is coming into his own and Garland is really struggling. I say this as kind of a garland fan. I’ve been on the ice with the guy, he’s awesome…but he’s undeniably struggling while Frederic is thriving.
It also seems like you’re not really looking at the role. Neither player is cracking the top six, and neither player is getting PP time. So, first examine the identity of the line these guys would play on…then look at what they’ve done at even strength.
Garland: 657 minutes - 8 goals - 10 assists - 18 points.
Frederic: 517 minutes - 10 goals - 8 assists - 18 points.
So frederic is producing more…much more. For 20% of the price. And he seems to be getting better daily.
Then we’ve got Carlo. I don’t even know if I should bother. If you’re actually telling me how many points carlo has in the playoffs, I think you’re just missing the point of Brandon carlo, and hockey in general. I also don’t really care what he did last year. It was a bad year for him. He’s been utterly fantastic this year. We’ve also seen him be dominant in the playoffs in the past. He was the best player on the ice the last series the bruins played against toronto - for either side. Put it this way. If Vancouver had Carlo and Frederic, and the bruins had Schenn and Garland, I would happily include two first round picks + in the exchange to get Carlo and Frederic out of Vancouver. It’s just such a horrible idea. Carlo is one of the biggest reasons that the bruins have the lowest GAA in the league by a ridiculous margin.
Toews - We all know what he was, but it isn’t 2015. He’s not the same guy, and I just can’t imagine how anyone would think he’s necessary.
Overall theme here - aside from god awful value - go take a look at the standings. This team doesn’t need major surgery. They’re on pace to break league records. They’re first in GAA by a mile. They’re three goals away from being first in goals for too. They’ve got the best PK% in the league, and you’ve ripped maybe their most important penalty killer off the roster. This run has been really fun, lets hope that Sweeney doesn’t trash the team like this would.
A few things. You are making the assumption more minutes = more production. That's not true. As you mentioned Garland is getting better ice time - that means better quality of competition. Frederic who I really like is getting bottom pairing D almost every shift. You know how Hall was racking up points on the 3rd line but not so much with 63 & 37.
Also Garland Really struggling is putting up the same as an excellig Frederic. They are 1.5years apart in age & I am not talking about a few years ago in Az. Last year he had a career high in pts with 52. This year, he has more points on an awful team that just traded their captain and signed a guy who is a questionable teammate to like 9×8.
Carlo - I was showing his lack of anything. He was awful last season in the playoffs - why? because the secret is out. All you have to do is hit the gentle giant. The playoffs before that the Islanders hit him out of the line up. I understand Carlo is a shut down guy. So is forbort. So is Schenn. Yes, Carlo is better, but as you mentioned $ with Garland, Forbort is 25% less and will probably come in the same or less next contract.
Also - you say you don't care what Garland did over the last 3 years, but you care about what Carlo did in 2018-19 (4 years ago) ? He was injured in his 1st two seasons and was knocked out of another playoff series. He was good against Toronto because they don't hit (& kadri was out).
Derek Forbort was twice as good as Carlo last year in the playoffs and hasn't been too far behind him this season. Carlo getting 17s more per game.
It does not hurt this team. This team does need some adds. Major overhaul - no, but your #4 dman and a b6 foward is not a major overhaul.
Are you really feeling ok if any of the center miss a series? Yeah, Zacha could fill in, but that slides smith into top 6 or puts frederic coyle smith back together which was great last playoff.
Also - aquiring a guy like Garland would give them some flexibilty with Debrusk in the offseason. Example: he keeps up his play and wants 6-7m - are you paying him? Or you could use a piece to get a center. A 30 goal scorer with a 4m Cap has value. Or keep him and move Hall. Point is options.
Do you really think Frederic's ceiling is much higher than 20/25? That's literally Garland's bad season.
Also - the Cassidy/Montgomery system is nasty & the Bruins have been tops in GA for over a decade +. A few slips, but pretty much their identity.