We're going to use up one of our three retention slots for an AHLer, a future fourth and an over-the-horizon fourth? I don't think so. Go see someone else.

How much are you expecting to pay like 350k lmao? Foligno, Savard, Lehner etc are costed a 4th at best to retain 25% on.

It has nothing to do with the amount remaining on Toews salary. Don't say "lmao" when the subject is over your head, because it makes you look like more than the subject at issue is over your head.

I said lmao cause its funny how you think thats some bad deal for ANH.

It is. And once again you've completely missed the point. By an ocean.

Yeouch, terrible deal for Anaheim. 1.65M in cap space + Riley Stillman cost the Canucks a 2nd, you have to expect 2.65M would cost the Leafs more than that, especially at the deadline. A 2nd and 3rd or B-level prospect. Certainly more than two 4ths and a tweener.

Yeah yeah ik you dont want to waste a retention spot for 2 months just for 2 4ths I get it cause you guys overpaid Henrique and Klingberg and need to retain their salaries just to get some value.

That was for 2 years for an overpaid player, this is for like 2 months how is that comparable at all lol? Foligno, Savard and Lehner costed a 4th to retain 25% of their contracts at the deadline.

Need a little little more for the hawks. Remove the 3rd of the trio of prospects nobody wants (Abruzzese, Der-Arguchintsev, and Abramov) and change the 3rd to a 2nd and we might have a deal.

Yes, 2 months when the Leafs need the cap space the most and so does every other team. Cap space is always at a premium right now, and like players the cost spikes at the Deadline.

We will need a lot more then that to convince us to use 1 of 3 of our retention slots for someone else as we have at least 4 of our own guys we can use them on come deadline time big fella

Yeah Vegas, Toronto and Tampa needed the cap space to complete those trades too, it didn't drive up the costs more than a 4th lol. Last year Florida got a 6th to retain 1.325M of capspace on Domi's contract. How come those 4 players didn't cost more than a 4th-6th round pick to retain 25% on? Thats 4 exact comparable situations, unlike your Dickinson example. You act like there won't be a bunch of teams willing to be the 3rd partner if it gets them a free pick.

I dont know why people on here act like a GM's goal is to screw over other GM's. If a team can buy an extra mid round pick for a measly 300k, they're gonna do it.

Last year at the TDL, there was 104.9M total available cap space. Nine teams had 5M or more cap space available, and 6 teams had 10M or more, meaning 1/3rd of the league was open for cap retention for the other 2/3rds. The market wasn't the same as it is today.

Currently, there is only 78.9M total cap space available, and only five teams have 5M or more cap space available, and only three teams have 10M or more cap space available. 1/7th of the market to service the other 6/7ths. It is those teams with cap space that control the market this year. When they have offers coming from Toronto, Tampa, Boston, Carolina, Edmonton, Colorado, Vegas, Seattle, LA, etc. for retention deals, they're going to be able to set the price and sell to the highest bidder.

You realize by the time the deadline comes that teams only take on 20% of whats left right of the cap hit right? So even if you take on 3M in cap, thats only 600k lol. How many teams dont have 600k? Like I said, teams will line up to to buy a draft pick for a tiny bit of of cap. There may only be 3-4 players tops that will require double retention. There won't be some big bidding war for teams to have cap space retained.

Yes, I am aware of how cap accrual works. 3M on 600k and a team willing to take on the extra cap hit. You're also going to run into teams like Arizona and Ottawa who can't necessarily afford the additional salary.

You're ignoring the teams that are willing to sacrifice draft picks to clear out problematic contracts/players to improve enough for playoffs. Every year that happens, and there are more teams who have that problem then there are Patrick Kanes or Timo Meiers.

Okay but you claimed taking on 300k in salary is equivalent or near equivalent to taking on Dickinson who had 5.95M left on his contract for two years and that the costs would be similar, and I brought up 4 players who were in the same situation who got 4th - 6th rounders. Also Arizona is going to be shipping out players, so are other non-playoff teams. They can take back 300k worth of salary lol. You're basing your opinion off this delusion that there isn't enough cap space going around for teams to do this when there is. Theres also teams like Buffalo, Detroit, Minny etc that are looking to make a playoff push but won't be buying ufas that would definitely use the extra cap space to buy draft picks like Toronto did with Lehner and Florida did with Domi.

There's no delusion, you can look at the available cap space compared to last year yourself. Less cap space = Fewer Teams able to take Retention = Higher Price for Cap. It's all very logical.

Ehh bud, so far ROR costed a 4th in 25' to retain 25% on and Orlov costed a 5th to retain 25% on. How come they didn't cost a 2nd or a 3rd and a prospect like you claimed? I think your logic is a lil faulty there bud.

Holy moly man, necro a 3-week old thread just to gloat that you were right? Smh, touch some grass buddy.

Lmao, you were coming in here like a know it all now you wanna take shots cause you cant admit you dont know what you're talking about.

Hey man, I don't know if you know this, but I did admit you were right. It's okay to say that I made a mistake, and now I have learned from it.