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22	$82,500,000	$77,383,750	$25,000	$3,350,000	$5,116,250

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Lehkonen, Artturi $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 5	MacKinnon, Nathan $6,300,000$6,300,000 C NMC UFA - 1	Rantanen, Mikko $9,250,000$9,250,000 RW, C UFA - 3
Landeskog, Gabriel $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW, C NMC UFA - 7	Rodrigues, Evan $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Nichushkin, Valeri $6,125,000$6,125,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 8
Henrique, Adam -$1,456,250-$1,456,250 LW, C M-NTC UFA - 2	Compher, J.T. $3,500,000$3,500,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Puljujärvi, Jesse $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW UFA - 1
Cogliano, Andrew $1,250,000$1,250,000 LW UFA - 1	Newhook, Alex $908,333$908,333 ($850,000$850K) C, LW RFA - 1
		O'Connor, Logan $1,050,000$1,050,000 RW, LW UFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
	Makar, Cale $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD UFA - 5	Georgiev, Alexandar $3,400,000$3,400,000 G UFA - 3
Toews, Devon $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD UFA - 2	Girard, Samuel $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 5	Francouz, Pavel $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 2
	Manson, Josh $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD NTC UFA - 4
Byram, Bowen $894,167$894,167 ($2,500,000$2M) LD/RD RFA - 1
Johnson, Jack $950,000$950,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Nieto, Matt $850,000$850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Helm, Darren $1,250,000$1,250,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Johnson, Erik $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
MacDermid, Kurtis $987,500$987,500 LD/RD, LW UFA - 2

Feb. 17, 2023 at 9:47 a.m.

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Salzy

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Might not be enough without Comtois in there. Ducks decline

Feb. 17, 2023 at 9:50 a.m.

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Quoting: Salzy

Might not be enough without Comtois in there. Ducks decline

Based on prior acgms, I think some of your fellow Ducks fans will disagree. But I appreciate your opinion.

I will say that I think it's more than enough without Comtois. I wouldn't do a first and Olausson for just Rico from the Avs side.

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 10:00 a.m.

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

Based on prior acgms, I think some of your fellow Ducks fans will disagree. But I appreciate your opinion.

I will say that I think it's more than enough without Comtois. I wouldn't do a first and Olausson for just Rico from the Avs side.

I said might not be enough cause demand + other offers could beat it. If this is the only offer they get they obviously take it but I have a hard time believing not one team offers a 2023 1st

Any 2023 1st gets picked over this, a good offer for sure without Comtois. We're essentially giving Comtois away for free here.

If the Ducks are trading Comtois they cut out COL and make the EDM trade themselves

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 10:09 a.m.

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Quoting: Salzy

I said might not be enough cause demand + other offers could beat it. If this is the only offer they get they obviously take it but I have a hard time believing not one team offers a 2023 1st

Any 2023 1st gets picked over this, a good offer for sure without Comtois. We're essentially giving Comtois away for free here.

If the Ducks are trading Comtois they cut out COL and make the EDM trade themselves

I guess it depends on how they view Olausson. There is probably quite a bit of variation in there. But obviously I agree that if the offer gets beat, then the Ducks go a different direction.

I'm just not sure Comtois has as much value as you're assigning him. He has really fallen off. And while some (maybe a lot) is due to utilization, it does negatively affect any potential return. But Anaheim has the luxury of time with him. They don't have to rush any move if they don't like the offer, so you could be right on this.

Only other thing I'll say is that I didn't set it up as a three way. So maybe the straight Comtois for JP swap isn't a consideration. And perhaps the Ducks want to use their other two retention slots for something else.

But good thoughts on your part. I'll take them into consideration if I do another Avs/Ducks trade on here.

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 10:51 a.m.

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

I guess it depends on how they view Olausson. There is probably quite a bit of variation in there. But obviously I agree that if the offer gets beat, then the Ducks go a different direction.

I'm just not sure Comtois has as much value as you're assigning him. He has really fallen off. And while some (maybe a lot) is due to utilization, it does negatively affect any potential return. But Anaheim has the luxury of time with him. They don't have to rush any move if they don't like the offer, so you could be right on this.

Only other thing I'll say is that I didn't set it up as a three way. So maybe the straight Comtois for JP swap isn't a consideration. And perhaps the Ducks want to use their other two retention slots for something else.

But good thoughts on your part. I'll take them into consideration if I do another Avs/Ducks trade on here.

Yeah for all I know Verbeek loves Olausson and he'd be all over this, impossible to 100% tell without being a fly on the wall in Verbeeks office.

I dont value him a ton right not, its hard to put any value on him really, if I was grading him i'd give him an incomplete haha.

If Comtois does get moved I think its up to whoever is our next HC honestly. If the new HC sees him as a great fit for the system thats going to be implemented then we keep him, if not Im sure he gets moved at the draft.

With how big of a trainwreck Dallas Eakins and his system is its hard to truly gauge whats going on with Comtois, his value has never been lower though you arent wrong there.

As you say though we have the luxury of time and I dont see the merit in selling low on Comtois right now. If we get what Verbeek deems as good value as with any player Comtois could be moved but I dont think his value gets any lower between today and the draft, but it could increase a decent amount.

Yeah I always like seeing your threads, people you can have civil conversations with can be hard to find on here sometimes

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 11:12 a.m.

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Quoting: Salzy

Yeah for all I know Verbeek loves Olausson and he'd be all over this, impossible to 100% tell without being a fly on the wall in Verbeeks office.

I dont value him a ton right not, its hard to put any value on him really, if I was grading him i'd give him an incomplete haha.

If Comtois does get moved I think its up to whoever is our next HC honestly. If the new HC sees him as a great fit for the system thats going to be implemented then we keep him, if not Im sure he gets moved at the draft.

With how big of a trainwreck Dallas Eakins and his system is its hard to truly gauge whats going on with Comtois, his value has never been lower though you arent wrong there.

As you say though we have the luxury of time and I dont see the merit in selling low on Comtois right now. If we get what Verbeek deems as good value as with any player Comtois could be moved but I dont think his value gets any lower between today and the draft, but it could increase a decent amount.

Yeah I always like seeing your threads, people you can have civil conversations with can be hard to find on here sometimes

Thanks for that, and likewise. I know for me, I come here because it's cool to know how players outside our individual bubbles are valued. Sometimes my assumptions are in the neighborhood, and sometimes they're way off.

I've been here long enough at this point to know who I can put stock in and who to completely ignore, lol. I generally have a good experience with Ducks fans. Some of the Canadian teams, however...

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 11:18 a.m.

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Quoting: Anus_McLeod

Thanks for that, and likewise. I know for me, I come here because it's cool to know how players outside our individual bubbles are valued. Sometimes my assumptions are in the neighborhood, and sometimes they're way off.

I've been here long enough at this point to know who I can put stock in and who to completely ignore, lol. I generally have a good experience with Ducks fans. Some of the Canadian teams, however...

Yeah I've been way off and I've been right on the money haha. It's impossible to be right all the time.

Oh for sure, I might have the longest ignore list on this site

I've had a good experience with most if not all Avs fans on here though

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 11:26 a.m.

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-Maybe kill the 4th coming from the Ducks here? Not saying Comtois is only worth a 4th, but I think it would probably even it out a little more for Anaheim. I think it's pretty damn close as is, though.

-Part of me wonders if you don't make this a 3-way trade, because to me I just think "why wouldn't Anaheim just trade Comtois retained themselves?" So something like this:

EDM gets: Comtois (50% retained by ANA)
EDM sends: Puljuarvi, 2023 3rd, 2023 6th.

COL gets: Henrique (50% retained by ANA), Puljujarvi, 2023 3rd (from EDM)
COL gives: Olausson, 2024 1st

ANA gets: Olausson, 2024 1st (COL), 2023 6th (EDM)
ANA gives: Henrique (50% retention), Comtois (50% retention)

Maybe one more smaller piece needs to go to Anaheim, but not sure from who - but again, think that there's legs here. NHL needs more fun 3-team trades like this anyways.

-Nothing to say about this beyond "Temporary Johnson" being my 3rd-favorite '90s alternative song.

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 11:30 a.m.

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Quoting: Salzy

Might not be enough without Comtois in there. Ducks decline

I’m not dealing Rico for anything less than a 23 1st myself

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

-Maybe kill the 4th coming from the Ducks here? Not saying Comtois is only worth a 4th, but I think it would probably even it out a little more for Anaheim. I think it's pretty damn close as is, though.

-Part of me wonders if you don't make this a 3-way trade, because to me I just think "why wouldn't Anaheim just trade Comtois retained themselves?" So something like this:

EDM gets: Comtois (50% retained by ANA)
EDM sends: Puljuarvi, 2023 3rd, 2023 6th.

COL gets: Henrique (50% retained by ANA), Puljujarvi, 2023 3rd (from EDM)
COL gives: Olausson, 2024 1st

ANA gets: Olausson, 2024 1st (COL), 2023 6th (EDM)
ANA gives: Henrique (50% retention), Comtois (50% retention)

Maybe one more smaller piece needs to go to Anaheim, but not sure from who - but again, think that there's legs here. NHL needs more fun 3-team trades like this anyways.

-Nothing to say about this beyond "Temporary Johnson" being my 3rd-favorite '90s alternative song.

Ducks arent going to waste a retention spot on Comtois

Rico, Klingberg, Kulikov, Shattenkirk, Grant, and we've been rumored as a possible 3rd party retainer. It doesnt make sense to sell low on Comtois without retaining on him, it makes even less sense to retain even a penny of his contract

50% retaining on Comtois and Rico gonna cost 2 1sts, no reason for ANA to do it for anything less

Also not saying COL should do that, they 100% should not. Just doesnt make any sense for ANA to do it for less

Even without that Ducks get shafted harddddddd in that trade

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 11:43 a.m.

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Quoting: Salzy

Ducks arent going to waste a retention spot on Comtois

Rico, Klingberg, Kulikov, Shattenkirk, Grant, and we've been rumored as a possible 3rd party retainer. It doesnt make sense to sell low on Comtois without retaining on him, it makes even less sense to retain even a penny of his contract

50% retaining on Comtois and Rico gonna cost 2 1sts, no reason for ANA to do it for anything less

Also not saying COL should do that, they 100% should not. Just doesnt make any sense for ANA to do it for less

Even without that Ducks get shafted harddddddd in that trade

Yeah, I think burning that 2nd retention spot on Comtois kills it from the Ducks perspective.

I still wonder if maybe you swap one of those other expiring contracts in for Max, if you can still build a 3-way deal here. Maybe Pool Party goes to Anaheim instead, they take a 20 game flyer on him to try and rebuild some trade value? I dunno.

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 11:46 a.m.

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Quoting: dannibalcorpse

-Maybe kill the 4th coming from the Ducks here? Not saying Comtois is only worth a 4th, but I think it would probably even it out a little more for Anaheim. I think it's pretty damn close as is, though.

-Part of me wonders if you don't make this a 3-way trade, because to me I just think "why wouldn't Anaheim just trade Comtois retained themselves?" So something like this:

EDM gets: Comtois (50% retained by ANA)
EDM sends: Puljuarvi, 2023 3rd, 2023 6th.

COL gets: Henrique (50% retained by ANA), Puljujarvi, 2023 3rd (from EDM)
COL gives: Olausson, 2024 1st

ANA gets: Olausson, 2024 1st (COL), 2023 6th (EDM)
ANA gives: Henrique (50% retention), Comtois (50% retention)

Maybe one more smaller piece needs to go to Anaheim, but not sure from who - but again, think that there's legs here. NHL needs more fun 3-team trades like this anyways.

-Nothing to say about this beyond "Temporary Johnson" being my 3rd-favorite '90s alternative song.

I'd be fine dropping the 4th from the Ducks. I actually even thought about doing so but figured it is sometimes easy to pry a late pick from teams that are young and stocked with earlier picks.

Otherwise, I thought it made sense for Colorado to retain more than Anaheim due to them having other options for their slots.

Overall though, I agree. I think there is some trade that all three teams could benefit from. Not sure exactly how to tweak it (2023 1st maybe), but I don't think it's insanely far off.

Feb. 17, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.

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My OCD requires the pick going to Chicago to be the 5th round so they have at least one pick in each round.

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 2:55 p.m.

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Quoting: Tucson

My OCD requires the pick going to Chicago to be the 5th round so they have at least one pick in each round.

I can actually relate to that more than I'd like to, lol.

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Feb. 17, 2023 at 7:09 p.m.

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Take out Olausson, Comtois and the 4th, leave JP alone until the off season when EDM don't qualify him and offer a 7th for JJ, 6th if it's absolutely necessary.

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