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Created by: DirtyDangles
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Apr. 4, 2023
Published: Apr. 4, 2023
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Flyers trade clears the cap space to add a legit #1 goalie. Yes Gibson hasn't had the best stats the last few years but he has also been stuck on one of the worst teams in the league over that time. He has wanted out for years now.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$8,000,000
2$1,500,000
2$925,000
2$850,000
2$1,650,000
2$2,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$850,000
1$850,000
Trades
1.
OTT
  1. Frost, Morgan [RFA Rights]
  2. 2024 1st round pick (FLA)
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Jack Roslovic @50% (acquired from CBJ for Hayes)
PHI
  1. Norris, Joshua
  2. 2025 2nd round pick (OTT)
2.
OTT
  1. Roslovic, Jack ($2,000,000 retained)
CBJ
3.
ANA
  1. Forsberg, Anton
  2. 2024 1st round pick (OTT)
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2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$80,537,380$0$1,850,000$2,962,620
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$8,205,714$8,205,714
LW
UFA - 5
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$8,350,000$8,350,000
C
UFA - 8
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
RFA - 2
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$4,975,000$4,975,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
C
RFA - 1
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$0$0
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,950,000$2,950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$850,000$850,000
C, LW
UFA
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$850,000$850,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
LD
UFA - 1
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,400,000$6,400,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$4,600,000$4,600,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$925,000$925,000
G
RFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD, LW
RFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$762,500$762,500
LW
RFA - 1
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$835,000$835,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
$850,000$850,000
RD
UFA - 3

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Apr. 4, 2023 at 12:21 p.m.
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Anaheim says no and even if we said yes Gibson says no
Apr. 4, 2023 at 12:24 p.m.
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Quoting: GeneralLandro
Anaheim says no and even if we said yes Gibson says no


Gibson says no? The guy has wanted out for years. I think he'd go anywhere that might actually make the playoffs. And getting a 1st for a goalie with his stats/contract would be an ANA W.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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I feel like that Norris trade does not benefit Ottawa. There are better ways to clear salary than sending out a 1c caliber player for a future probably 20s-range first, Morgan Frost, and Jack Roslovic. If that's the going rate for a Josh Norris, Columbus cuts out the middle man and offers this year's LAK first, Jack Roslovic, and an equivalent player to Frost at a different position (need a winger? Chinakhov. Goalie? Tarasov. Defenseman? Got quite a few of those... just not a center)
Apr. 4, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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I feel like that Norris trade does not benefit Ottawa. There are better ways to clear salary than sending out a 1c caliber player for a future probably 20s-range first, Morgan Frost, and Jack Roslovic. If that's the going rate for a Josh Norris, Columbus cuts out the middle man and offers this year's LAK first, Jack Roslovic, and an equivalent player to Frost at a different position (need a winger? Chinakhov. Goalie? Tarasov. Defenseman? Got quite a few of those... just not a center)


Who said CBJ was talking to OTT? If CBJ gets Bedard, why would they go after another C? Also, CBJ doesn't have a Morgan Frost.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 12:41 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Gibson says no? The guy has wanted out for years. I think he'd go anywhere that might actually make the playoffs. And getting a 1st for a goalie with his stats/contract would be an ANA W.


What part of all Canadian teams being on John Gibson's not trade list, Don't you understand. He's not waiving for Ottawa.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.
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John Gibson doesn't waive for Ottawa.

And fat chance in hell of Alex DeBrincat taking 8 x $8,000,000 in Ottawa when he wants closer to $9,000,000 per.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 12:47 p.m.
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
What part of all Canadian teams being on John Gibson's not trade list, Don't you understand. He's not waiving for Ottawa.


When no other team is willing to trade for you, maybe you change your mind. Unless he likes being stuck on a **** team for the rest of his contract.

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And fat chance in hell of Alex DeBrincat taking 8 x $8,000,000 in Ottawa when he wants closer to $9,000,000 per.


Who would pay a non ppg guy $9 mil? Roope Hintz got $8.45 and is a better, more valuable piece. Comparables are not $9 mil
Apr. 4, 2023 at 12:56 p.m.
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Ottawa is not trading Josh Norris for Morgan Frost, let alone adding a 2nd.

If you want Norris, start with your 2023 1st and and then build a package from there.
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Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:02 p.m.
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Ottawa is not trading Josh Norris for Morgan Frost, let alone adding a 2nd.

If you want Norris, start with your 2023 1st and and then build a package from there.


The Sens have been fine without Norris except that their goalies are really bad. Frost is a fine replacement for Norris plus you get, what's likely, a mid round first, decent middle 6 player and cap space to acquire that legit #1 goalie to try and make a run. Or keep Norris and try signing another mediocre goalie for next year and be in the same spot! I like the Sens but without a goalie, they aren't making any noise.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:07 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
The Sens have been fine without Norris except that their goalies are really bad. Frost is a fine replacement for Norris plus you get, what's likely, a mid round first, decent middle 6 player and cap space to acquire that legit #1 goalie to try and make a run. Or keep Norris and try signing another mediocre goalie for next year and be in the same spot! I like the Sens but without a goalie, they aren't making any noise.


Norris is a part of our core group and is borderline untouchable.

If you want him, you'll need to offer something really special.

This ain't it.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.
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Quoting: sensonfire
Norris is a part of our core group and is borderline untouchable.

If you want him, you'll need to offer something really special.

This ain't it.


That's fine...enjoy your core group with no goalie and no playoffs.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:11 p.m.
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That's fine...enjoy your core group with no goalie and no playoffs.


Try offering us Carter Hart then and see where it goes.

You would at least tank faster for a Top 5 pick.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:22 p.m.
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no team is going to pay a 1st for gibson end of story, OTT is not trading Norris, if my miracle they win 1st OA if they finish in the bottom 11, they will trade Cat and move Norris to the wing.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:31 p.m.
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no team is going to pay a 1st for gibson end of story, OTT is not trading Norris, if my miracle they win 1st OA if they finish in the bottom 11, they will trade Cat and move Norris to the wing.


Huge "if" there.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:31 p.m.
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Try offering us Carter Hart then and see where it goes.

You would at least tank faster for a Top 5 pick.


Why would the Flyers trade a 24 year old franchise goalie?
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Huge "if" there.


considering they finished last and 2nd to last and got 4th OA both years (tho one year it was good they got 4th, the year COL had their first) it would be fitting if OTT won 1st or 2nd
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Why would the Flyers trade a 24 year old franchise goalie?


Why would the Senators trade a 23 year old franchise center?
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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Why would the Flyers trade a 24 year old franchise goalie?


philly needs a complete rebuild big time, if they judge Hart will not be in his prime when then exit the rebuild, they should trade him to get assets to help the rebuild, go scorched earth like OTT did, trade everyone of value to get as much picks and prospect they can and develop them right.

i could see OTT being VERY interested in Konecny after they trade Cat
Apr. 4, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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Why would the Senators trade a 23 year old franchise center?


To fill a much bigger need...someone who can stop a puck at the NHL level.
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philly needs a complete rebuild big time, if they judge Hart will not be in his prime when then exit the rebuild, they should trade him to get assets to help the rebuild, go scorched earth like OTT did, trade everyone of value to get as much picks and prospect they can and develop them right.

i could see OTT being VERY interested in Konecny after they trade Cat


We are rebuilding but Hart will not be out of his prime. He's 24 and goalies primes are late 20's to early 30's.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 2:03 p.m.
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To fill a much bigger need...someone who can stop a puck at the NHL level.


We are rebuilding but Hart will not be out of his prime. He's 24 and goalies primes are late 20's to early 30's.


No Hart, No Top 10 first, No Norris.

Sorry.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 2:39 p.m.
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Gibson says no? The guy has wanted out for years. I think he'd go anywhere that might actually make the playoffs. And getting a 1st for a goalie with his stats/contract would be an ANA W.


Well good thing our GM just said that he talked to him and said he wants to be here and wants to see the rebuild through
Apr. 4, 2023 at 2:40 p.m.
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Well good thing our GM just said that he talked to him and said he wants to be here and wants to see the rebuild through


So he's just dumb then, got it. Don't feel so bad for him then.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 3:29 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Gibson says no? The guy has wanted out for years. I think he'd go anywhere that might actually make the playoffs. And getting a 1st for a goalie with his stats/contract would be an ANA W.


You show me a news article where it says Gibson wants out, I'll wait.

He intentionally torpedoed trade talks with Toronto because he didn't want to go to canada literally this year

The article that came out about him asking for a trade last season was put out by a pundit, it was refuted by Gibson and his Agent immediately.

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We are rebuilding but Hart will not be out of his prime. He's 24 and goalies primes are late 20's to early 30's.


By the same logic that the Ducks should get rid of Gibson, you should get rid of Hart, you'll be wasting his prime and will tank his value killing his stats behind a rebuilding team.

We (Anaheim) are supposed to be on the upswing here pretty soon, frankly we could bounce pretty hard off the bottom with a couple smart signings this off season. Gibson still has plenty in the tank, he is our unchallenged #1 right now, and he likes Southern California.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
You show me a news article where it says Gibson wants out, I'll wait.

He intentionally torpedoed trade talks with Toronto because he didn't want to go to canada literally this year

The article that came out about him asking for a trade last season was put out by a pundit, it was refuted by Gibson and his Agent immediately.



By the same logic that the Ducks should get rid of Gibson, you should get rid of Hart, you'll be wasting his prime and will tank his value killing his stats behind a rebuilding team.

We (Anaheim) are supposed to be on the upswing here pretty soon, frankly we could bounce pretty hard off the bottom with a couple smart signings this off season. Gibson still has plenty in the tank, he is our unchallenged #1 right now, and he likes Southern California.


I'm sorry to tell you but ANA is not on the upswing. Comparing a 29 year old goalie to a 24 year old goalie and claiming both goalies primes will be wasted is insane. Gibson has like 3-4 years of prime left, which will be spent still in a rebuild, where Hart has his entire prime, which will start in like 3 years.
Apr. 4, 2023 at 4:03 p.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
I'm sorry to tell you but ANA is not on the upswing. Comparing a 29 year old goalie to a 24 year old goalie and claiming both goalies primes will be wasted is insane. Gibson has like 3-4 years of prime left, which will be spent still in a rebuild, where Hart has his entire prime, which will start in like 3 years.


We've been in the rebuild for a few years already, so yeah, we should be on the upswing here soon. Phillidelphia hasn't started the rebuild until just now. 5 years from now and Hart will be 29 and look at that, most of his prime will have been wasted. It's the same story, and I, for one, will be happy to see the eternal offseason goalie trade swapping from Gibson to Hart next season.
 
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