Stutzle Mercer and then who

I don't think Forester falls that far if at all, He played great while he was up with the Flyers 7 Points in 8 games and contributed to a win streak. I also think your a little too high on some of the college guys.

As for Mercer 2 is fair for now imo,

Stutzle>Raymond>Mercer lo

Mercer better all around game. Also scores more.

Mercer has less points in more games lol
Course he's gonna be "better all around", he's on the Devils lo

Oh I'm arguing with a Devils fan. It's like talking to a brick wall.

Mercer: 55 points in 79 games
Raymond: 44 points in 70 games

Even wider gap when looking at even-strength scoring rates (pts/60: Mercer 2.13, Raymond 1.24)

Yeah nice cherry picking. Mercer 161 games 97 points, Raymond 152 games 101 points. Raymond's better on a worse team.

Me when a player that's on a playoff team surrounded by talent is performing on par/slightly better than a player who only really has Dylan Larkin 🤯

If the charge is cherry picking current season stats over last seasons stats, I plea guilty.

Even if you want to take career numbers, Mercer has scored at higher rates than Raymond in even strength situations.

GAR 2021-23

Mercer: 14.2
Raymond: 3.9

(Mercer was +0.1 in 2021-22, +10.3 this year)

Mercer > Raymond.
I’m a fan of neither team

Wow I guess there's no correlation between the massive improvement of his team and the massive improvement in his GAR. It's almost as if the 2 are related.

Thank you for your objectively worthless opinion. Do you have an actual argument? Do I know you? Why should I care who you prefer?

Mercer is a good player and big part of team success this year. So yes, there is a relationship. But GAR is a relative stat…it’s meant to smooth out variations in team performance.

How on earth does GAR smooth out team performance variation? If thats the intent then it fails to do that spectacularly. GAR simply trys to answer the question: how much better is this player than a replacement player put in the same position. its not meant to be used to compare players from other teams like youre attempting to do. GAR is about a half a step better than plus minus. The fact is that any Stat that trys to isolate individual impact in a team sport as fluid as hockey is bound to have flaws.

GAR is meant to be team-agnostic and is used to compare players from different teams. I also provided data on market value, where Mercer was nearly 3x Raymond’s value.
- Mercer $7.7m
- Raymond $2.4m

And if you look at GSVA…
- Mercer 2.3 (along with Kyle Connor, Jacob Slavin, Pavel Buchnevich)
- Raymond 0.2 (along with Josh Anderson, Rasmus Ristolainen)

If you look at Hockey Prospecting “Star” figures…
- Mercer 44
- Raymond 26

Or used various components of these models (GF%, xGF%)…
- Mercer 56.7, 55.9
- Raymond 40.2, 42.9

They all suggest the same result. If you have a preferred metric you’d prefer to use, by all means suggest it. But I have stand by my statement until I have reason to view otherwise.

I couldn't disagree more about GAR. I m aware that people use it to justify arguments when the actual counting stats don't agree with them but that is not why the stat was created. Again how does GAR account for strength of team, teammates, linemates etc.? As far I understand the stat it's meant to measure a players value compared to a replacement player, yes? So how does that compensate for differences in situations? Also I'll stand by my statement that 101 is more than 97.

“Replacement player” is not an actual player on their teams, it’s essentially the expected production of a valueless player…someone any team could get for free. So it’s an equal benchmark for everyone in the league.

So if player X is a 10-goal GAR player, it’s expected they would produce 10 more goals than a replacement player on any roster. That may be difference of 10 goals and 20 goals on average team…or difference of 20 goals and 30 goals on good offensive team. (Oversimplified)

Mercer took a big step this year and was a big part of his team’s success, where raymond was stagnant in his progression as a young player. Mercer scores goals where raymond is a playmaker. Nhl values wingers who put the puck in the net
Also do i know you is the most worthless i argument i have ever heard, this is capfriendly not facebook

New Jersey had the biggest single season turnaround in league history. It would be stunningly ignorant not to connect that to Mercers increased success in his second year. You don't watch Raymond and that's clear from you calling him a play maker. Whatever that means. And the point makes no sense anyway because hes scored a whopping 4 more goals in 9 more games. Also when you are angry maybe you should stop and proofread your comments. Otherwise you might appear to be stupid.