Quoting: Shanesaw9
1. I also believe this team could push for playoffs, but considering you're trading the 5th overall pick which is more of a 2nd or 3rd overall pick in a typical draft year, do you think pushing for playoffs next season is the right move? Aside from Hutson the habs don't have any elite prospects in the system (non-NHL). So if this group doesn't get it done we are looking at another rebuild / re-tool.
2. You also have to consider that Hertl will be 36 by the end of his 7 years, Dubois would be 32 after an 8 year deal, and being younger he may have higher upside (he is already more productive).
3. Karlsson would absolutely be nice to have, not gonna dispute that, but we need to consider the context. Also Hoffman has to go if you're getting Karlsson which I'm sure we would buy him out or trade him. Karlsson also has a NMC which may block this trade.
4. A good powerplay will take these kids to the next level yes.
5. It's a deep prospect pool but it isn't one that is full of high end talent, and I feel we are still missing 1 or 2 elite prospects before we can end the rebuild.
6. I can't project 3-4 years when Karlsson is gone but if we don't win with Karlsson and we don't draft high with Karlsson then there are no more top prospects coming.
*Please keep in context that I am playing Devil's advocate here
1) I disagree. You are right about the Elite talent, but if Suzuki is putting up 90pts seasons as a 27-28 year old and Caufield is putting up 40-50 goal seasons as a 24-25 year old and Dach & Slaf are both 60-70 pts guys, and we've been in the playoffs 4 years in a row... we will be able to attract quality free agents if we need to add talent. Also it's early and he's not much discussed, but I think Engstrom is a sleeper Elite player
2 a) All players have their ups and downs and their expiry dates, but I am more focused on the fact that Hertl shows up nightly like Suzuki and Dubois (IMO) does not. This character flaw exists in a lot of players and as far as I can tell, if it's in you you never lose it
2 b) It's an unfair statement because I believe if you swapped Hertl & PLD this year, Hertl puts up 70+ pts in WPG & PLD puts up less than 60 in SJ
3) Yeah we would trade him or buy him out. Gotta suspend disbelief on the NMC, but I don't think he would block it if he knew the deal was for him & Hertl and he'd be going to a competitive team
4) Glad we agree
5) Look at Boston, Tampa, etc. Their best players were drafted in later rounds through good scouting and luck. Heck look at the Habs: Roy, Hutson, Beck... These are later picks and are probably our top 3 prospects. Elite talent is not only selected top 8. Also look at all the top 8s who fail to develop like Holtz, Zadina, Puljujarvi.... There are no guarantees
6) Same answer as 5. As long as we don't make a Habit of trading all our picks like Tampa, we will be ok