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Reversing all the horrible moves Kyle Dubas made as Leafs GM

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 19, 2023
Published: May 19, 2023
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July 1st, 2018 ---- Signing ---- John Tavares ---- 11 million x 7 with NMC and signing bonuses, less than 2 months after becoming Leafs GM


June 22nd, 2019 ---- Trade ---- Patrick Marleau + #13 overall pick in 2020 + a 7th for a 6th


July 4th, 2019 ---- Signing ---- Cody Ceci ---- 4.5 million x 1


October 6th, 2020 ---- Draft pick at #15 overall by the Leafs —- Rodion Amirov


October 6th, 2020 —- Draft pick at #16 overall by the Habs —- Kaiden Guhle


April 11th, 2021 ---- Trade ---- #25 overall pick in 2021 + two 4ths for Nick Foligno + Stefan Noesen


July 21st, 2021 ---- Expansion Draft ---- Protecting Justin Holl instead of Jared McCann from the expansion draft


July 28th, 2021 ---- Signing ---- Petr Mrazek ---- 3.8 million x 3


July 31st, 2021 ---- Signing ---- Nick Ritchie ---- 2.5 million x 2


July 11th, 2022 ---- Trade ---- Future Considerations for Matt Murray + a 3rd + a 7th


February 28th, 2023 ---- Trade ---- Rasmus Sandin for Erik Gustafsson + #28 overall pick in 2023
Trades
1.
TOR
    Never signed
    2.
    CAR
      Patrick Marleau trade never happens
      3.
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      1. Guhle, Kaiden
      Additional Details:
      Kyle Dubas refuses to be outdone by Marc Bergevin and the Habs at picks #15 and #16.
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      TOR
      1. Ceulemans, Corson [RFA Rights]
      CBJ
        Nick Foligno trade never happens
        5.
        TOR
        1. Cardwell, Ethan [RFA Rights]
        SJS
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        TOR
        1. McCann, Jared
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        Who the Leafs should have protected at the expansion draft instead


        Auston Matthews
        John Tavares (NMC)
        Mitch Marner
        William Nylander
        Alex Kerfoot
        Jared McCann
        Pierre Engvall


        Jake Muzzin
        Morgan Rielly
        TJ Brodie


        Jack Campbell
        7.
        TOR
        1. Rinzel, Sam [Reserve List]
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        The Petr Mrazek trade never happens because he's never signed by the Leafs.
        8.
        TOR
        1. 2025 2nd round pick (TOR)
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        The Nick Ritchie trade never happens because he's never signed by the Leafs.
        ARI
        9.
        TOR
        1. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
        STL
        10.
        TOR
          Matt Murray trade never happens
          OTT
          1. Murray, Matt
          2. 2023 3rd round pick (OTT)
          3. 2024 7th round pick (OTT)
          11.
          WSH
          1. Gustafsson, Erik
          2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
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          Rasmus Sandin trade never happens
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          May 19, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
          #26
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          Quoting: sensonfire
          1. Tavares is worth 8 million, not 11 million.

          2. Sandin is worth two 1sts and Gustafsson didn't really do much against either Tampa or Florida.

          3. Any trade where you pay a high first just to dump cap is a bad trade.

          4. The Amirov draft pick suggested Dubas was drafting by position instead of BPA, given the Leafs needed a Top 6 LW at the time.

          5. The Leafs were not forced to qualify Ceci.


          tavares was worth was tavares got. maybe you can day he should have not aigned at all and thats fair. im just saying it was made even worse by covid flat cap. if the cap was 92 millions, if you say he is worth 8 now it means he is worth at least 9.5 with a higher cap too.

          everyone draft for needs.

          the first was higher that it should have been because of weird covid playoffs format. keeping him would have been worst. you can go on and say it should have cost a 7th round pick if you want, but if no one wanted to take that offer, its not dubas fault. its only a bad trade cause of a bad signing.he had nothing to do with.

          you can say that sandin was worth a.billion fist if you want. doesnt matter if no one wants to pay it. like i said, i think it will be a bad deal.

          as for Ceci, unless there is something i dont understand, the qualifying offer came from Ottawa and he accepted the offer after the trade. you are free to correct me if there is something else that happened, i am not a 100% sure.
          May 19, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
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          Quoting: Newtown
          The problem I have with this is that Dubas was handed the core of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, and Reilly. He has not added anything to that core but has subtracted Kadri. He had Anderson as a goalie and downgraded in net. He has traded multiple first round picks to get out of bad deals and for rentals. Those picks could have been used to add core players.

          He’s. kid that was gifted the keys to a Ferrari and is learning on the job. He should have added to the core by now but has not. He lost on contracts to Matthews, Marner and Nylander which has handcuffed the organization and caused the loss of players like Hyman. Lucky kid to be handed a core that has matured and cn compete with the best the NHL has to offer.


          Thats one perspective.
          Here's another:

          - He worked diligently to keep the core together despite tons of pressure to trade them one of them.
          - Marner/Matthews/Nylander are all now underpaid relative to their current performance
          - He moved Kadri because of disciplinary issues and he was the 3rd line C at the time. We didn't need a 4.5m dollar 3C with disciplinary issues.
          - Andersen wasn't delivering. I'd argue Samsonov & Woll is a better goalie situation especially considering cost.
          - Bunting was a HUGE pick up
          - Drafted really well with late picks
          - Gio, Mccabe, ROR, Acciari, Schenn all great adds.
          - Every move that was neutral or negative could be rationalized with sound logic.
          May 19, 2023 at 2:02 p.m.
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          Quoting: drambui
          tavares was worth was tavares got. maybe you can day he should have not aigned at all and thats fair. im just saying it was made even worse by covid flat cap. if the cap was 92 millions, if you say he is worth 8 now it means he is worth at least 9.5 with a higher cap too.

          everyone draft for needs.

          the first was higher that it should have been because of weird covid playoffs format. keeping him would have been worst. you can go on and say it should have cost a 7th round pick if you want, but if no one wanted to take that offer, its not dubas fault. its only a bad trade cause of a bad signing.he had nothing to do with.

          you can say that sandin was worth a.billion fist if you want. doesnt matter if no one wants to pay it. like i said, i think it will be a bad deal.

          as for Ceci, unless there is something i dont understand, the qualifying offer came from Ottawa and he accepted the offer after the trade. you are free to correct me if there is something else that happened, i am not a 100% sure.


          My understanding was that Ceci's QO in 2019 was 4.3 million

          And that Ceci signed with the Leafs at 4.5 million instead.

          Dubas was under no obligation to sign and pay Ceci.
          May 19, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.
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          Quoting: MadLin27
          Thats one perspective.
          Here's another:

          - He worked diligently to keep the core together despite tons of pressure to trade them one of them. Pressure from who the fans? That’s an excuse only a child would use.
          - Marner/Matthews/Nylander are all now underpaid relative to their current performance. The dollar amount is not the problem. The 5 year deal was a rookie mistake. big mistake.
          - He moved Kadri because of disciplinary issues and he was the 3rd line C at the time. We didn't need a 4.5m dollar 3C with disciplinary issues. Kadridid what he had to do. Would be nice to see Kerfoot stand up for his teammates. How does that guy get away with being so soft?
          - Andersen wasn't delivering. I'd argue Samsonov & Woll is a better goalie situation especially considering cost. Anderson was still better than his replacement.
          - Bunting was a HUGE pick up Yes, but he is going to lose him now.
          - Drafted really well with late picks His scouting staff has bailed him out multiple times. Have you seen the Knies draft video? Imagine if he hadn’t pissed away all those 1st rounders what the scouting staff could have done.
          - Gio, Mccabe, ROR, Acciari, Schenn all great adds. No argument there but he paid a huge price with multiple 1sts and was forced to trade Sandin and Engvall
          - Every move that was neutral or negative could be rationalized with sound logic.


          The problem is the team is no better talent wise than the day he got it. Kadri, Hyman, Anderson etc all gone. He has not used multiple first round picks wisely.
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          May 19, 2023 at 2:24 p.m.
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          Amirov was NOT on Dubas. It was just an unfortunate health situation that couldn’t be predicted
          May 19, 2023 at 2:27 p.m.
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          Quoting: CameronSquires
          Amirov was NOT on Dubas. It was just an unfortunate health situation that couldn’t be predicted


          1. The Habs got Kaiden Guhle with the next pick at #16.

          2. Drafting Amirov suggested Dubas was drafting by position instead of BPA, given the Leafs needed a Top 6 LW at the time.
          May 19, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
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          Quoting: sensonfire
          1. The Habs were picking right after the Leafs at #16 and they got Kaiden Guhle.

          And the Amirov pick suggested Dubas was drafting by position instead of BPA because they lacked a Top 6 LW at the time.


          2. Where did I say the Zaitsev trade was bad??


          3. The Marleau trade is bad because Dubas gave up a high first to dump him.


          They didn't know it was going to be a high first. Plus, there's a whole butterfly affect. If they don't make that trade, Carolina likely don't make the move for Skjei with their own 1st rounder, which means that they don't beat NYR in the play-in, and they get the 1st overall pick New York won, which means Laf is a Cane instead. You could also make the argument if they don't move Marleau, they don't keep Marner because they'd have had no cap room
          May 19, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
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          Quoting: sensonfire
          My understanding was that Ceci's QO in 2019 was 4.3 million

          And that Ceci signed with the Leafs at 4.5 million instead.

          Dubas was under no obligation to sign and pay Ceci.


          interesting, so for some reason he signed at for 0.2 million more. (maybe to avoid arbitration?) in the end it doesnt save a lot of money.
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          May 19, 2023 at 5:53 p.m.
          #34
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          Quoting: sensonfire
          1. I'm willing to forgive the Dubas for going out and paying a premium on former Conn Smythe Trophy and Stanley Cup winning Toronto native ROR.


          2. McCabe has term and he came with 50% retention.


          Why not keep the more effective Sandin at 1.4m and more years of control than over the retained 2m McCabe who has not been good.?
          May 19, 2023 at 6:04 p.m.
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          Quoting: palhal
          Why not keep the more effective Sandin at 1.4m and more years of control than over the retained 2m McCabe who has not been good.?


          Dubas always had that option.

          Sure.
          May 19, 2023 at 7:46 p.m.
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          Quoting: Newtown
          The problem is the team is no better talent wise than the day he got it. Kadri, Hyman, Anderson etc all gone. He has not used multiple first round picks wisely.


          Can't say I agree with that.
          Andersen wasn't good in Toronto especially his last year.
          Kadri was mediocre in Toronto.
          Hyman was a 40-50 point guy in Toronto.

          Contending teams also spend their 1st rounders.
          Not unusual.
          May 19, 2023 at 8:17 p.m.
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          Quoting: MadLin27
          Can't say I agree with that.
          Andersen wasn't good in Toronto especially his last year.
          Kadri was mediocre in Toronto.
          Hyman was a 40-50 point guy in Toronto.

          Contending teams also spend their 1st rounders.
          Not unusual.


          He inherited a core of Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares, and Reilly — he has not added anything to that core in 5 years.

          His attitude of I’m not sure I’m coming back were ungrateful. Shanny pulled him out of the OHL and gave him the GM job for a team with a storied hgistory, loaded with talent and in return he wasn’t sure he wanted to come back? See ya later. This is a multi billion dollar franchise, a dream job — the Leafs need someone that would kill to be here.
           
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