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Trading A Core 4Yes We Can

Created by: BigRed
Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 19, 2023
Published: May 21, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Description
Let's Have Some Fun, Let's See If This Works Out For All
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$900,000
2$900,000
2$900,000
3$3,500,000
2$850,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,500,000
2$800,000
2$2,000,000
2$1,000,000
2$5,000,000
3$4,500,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$2,000,000
2$3,750,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Brisebois, Guillaume
  2. 2023 3rd round pick (TOR)
2.
3.
4.
TOR
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (WSH)
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (WSH)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (TOR)
ARI
  1. Kressler, Braeden
  2. Murray, Matt
  3. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
2024
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the WSH
Logo of the NYI
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the OTT
2025
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$82,500,000$81,577,616$0$0$922,384
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$3,750,000$3,750,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C
UFA - 4
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$900,000$900,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$4,500,000$4,500,000
RD
UFA - 8
$3,750,000$3,750,000
G
UFA - 5
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$2,600,000$2,600,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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May 21, 2023 at 2:05 p.m.
#26
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Quoting: Random2152
Marner scored 97 and 99 points the last two years. Is a selke candidate, the back to back 1st team right wing and is paid nearly 3 million less than his aav for the next 2 years.

This is an embarrassing offer

I'm not even bothering with the rest


Glad Ya Like It....I Shall Scoop Out And View Your Leafs Lineup Also!
May 21, 2023 at 2:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Trevor31lv
I'm sorry that you don't understand how counterintuitive it'd be for a rebuilding team to just tel themselves "hey, **** it. I know we had this plan to build up our prospect pool, but now that it's one of the best in the league, let's ruin it to trade for a guy that'll be here 2 years, before the rest of our team is good, and MAYBE we can make playoffs before he dips out to a bigger market.

For CBJ, it literally does not matter how good he is, he's not gonna push them over the edge, hell, even McDavid wouldn't make them a contender. I can't tell if you simply don't understand this or if you're just purposely being obtuse so you can argue with people on CapFriendly forums 😂

And considering a team that would care about money like CBJ just aren't a fit for other reasons, the fact his salary is lower than his cap his is almost irrelevant. Any team trading for him is trying to contend and BY FAR the biggest challenge would be to find a way to make the money work since most teams in that situation are already pushing the cap as is. Cap hit is always gonna be 50x as important when trading a player on a big contract cause the cap is what actually binds teams. The billionaire owner isn't going to care if a guy is due 2 mil extra than the cap hit when their team is trying to win. I genuinely cannot tell if you just don't understand this.


You can say a trade doesn't make sense for your team without pretending like Marners value is off in the proposals.

Besides, I saw a report a while ago saying that your team was going to try and switch to win now mode (which, lol).
May 21, 2023 at 2:10 p.m.
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Quoting: mv21227
Canucks don’t have the cap space for Brodie, and Marner should get a better return


Probably, That's Why I Like Having Fun On Here
May 21, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
This is the first somewhat reasonable Marner offer I have seen in over a week. I feel Jenner could be replaced with a prospect like a Ceulemans, though I doubt CBJ do this because they need a Center not a winger.


Yeah Probably Correct
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May 21, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.
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Quoting: Trevorchef
Dallas would likely laugh that offer into the sunset for years.


I Know....I Just Want Marchment Back LOL
May 21, 2023 at 2:15 p.m.
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Quoting: canucksfan43
If the Canucks could get enough cap space for TJ Brodie I can't think of a reason they wouldn't accept that, but that's a big if


Yeah, Just Need The Cap Space In Leafs....Don't Think They'll Move On Him Though
May 21, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
Not to mention 9M in cap relief 2 years in a row...


Bingo!
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May 21, 2023 at 2:27 p.m.
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Quoting: Trevor31lv
I'm sorry that you don't understand how counterintuitive it'd be for a rebuilding team to just tel themselves "hey, **** it. I know we had this plan to build up our prospect pool, but now that it's one of the best in the league, let's ruin it to trade for a guy that'll be here 2 years, before the rest of our team is good, and MAYBE we can make playoffs before he dips out to a bigger market.

For CBJ, it literally does not matter how good he is, he's not gonna push them over the edge, hell, even McDavid wouldn't make them a contender. I can't tell if you simply don't understand this or if you're just purposely being obtuse so you can argue with people on CapFriendly forums 😂

And considering a team that would care about money like CBJ just aren't a fit for other reasons, the fact his salary is lower than his cap his is almost irrelevant. Any team trading for him is trying to contend and BY FAR the biggest challenge would be to find a way to make the money work since most teams in that situation are already pushing the cap as is. Cap hit is always gonna be 50x as important when trading a player on a big contract cause the cap is what actually binds teams. The billionaire owner isn't going to care if a guy is due 2 mil extra than the cap hit when their team is trying to win. I genuinely cannot tell if you just don't understand this.


Exactly. How many teams can send back 9M in free cap space 2 years in a row. I think there must be less than 5. How many of those would want a player who has 2 years left on his deal (meaning it cannot be a sign & trade) and is a UFA at the end of it (meaning he is not under team control)? I am pretty sure that number goes to 0.

Leafs may find a trade for Marner, but if you want futures you are not going to get "what you hope he's worth". The only deal for Marner will be a "hockey deal" with another contending team. Like a Panarin for Marner sort of deal.
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May 21, 2023 at 2:31 p.m.
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Exactly. How many teams can send back 9M in free cap.spqce 2 years in a row. I think there must be less than 5. How many of those would want a player who has 2 years left on his deal (meaning it cannot be a sign & trade) and is a UFA at the end of it (meaning he is not under team control)? I am pretty sure that number goes to 0.

Leafs may find a trade for Marner, but if you want futures you are not going to get "what you hope he's worth". The only deal for Marner will be a "hockey deal" with another contending team. Like a Panarin for Marner sort of deal.


Exactly. You're gonna have to have roughly equal cap going both ways to move Marner this offseason, and given the current landscape of the NHL, that's likely only happening in a deal like what you say.

If this had happened last offseason, the Devils probably would've been a good fit that could actually give up a nice future focused package before they signed Palat, traded for Meier, and were 1 year closer to raises for several guys, but there's just not a team like that this offseason.
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May 21, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
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Boone is not available.
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May 21, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.
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Boone is not available.


Why have ANY centers on this team, when you have Mitch Marner baby?!!!

Edit: well for 2 years at least... Then you have nothing...
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May 21, 2023 at 2:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
You can say a trade doesn't make sense for your team without pretending like Marners value is off in the proposals.

Besides, I saw a report a while ago saying that your team was going to try and switch to win now mode (which, lol).


Or you could propose a trade which actually makes sense to you which the other team could realistically accept, rather than tearing others down.
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May 21, 2023 at 2:50 p.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
Or you could propose a trade which actually makes sense to you which the other team could realistically accept, rather than tearing others down.


This is a site for talking hockey. Telling someone their trade is bad isn't "tearing them down"

Believe me, as much as I'd like to do that to you, the posts would have all been hidden if I had
May 21, 2023 at 3:21 p.m.
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This is a site for talking hockey. Telling someone their trade is bad isn't "tearing them down"

Believe me, as much as I'd like to do that to you, the posts would have all been hidden if I had


Me and everyone else on this thread it seems.

Thank you for being so patient with us poor fools who clearly don't understand what it's like to have Mitch Marner play for the team you support and therefore could not possibly understand how to evaluate a trade for him! We really don't deserve your magnanimity...

By all rights, the Jackets should probably be offering a minority ownership in the team just to have the right to trade for Marner!
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May 22, 2023 at 7:29 p.m.
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Boone is not available.


Well...I Tried LOL
 
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