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Idea heard on Winged Wheel Podcast - Blockbuster

Created by: HockeyNut82

Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings

Initial Creation Date: May 26, 2023

Published: May 26, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Lethemon, John	2	$800,000
Luff, Matt	2	$800,000
McIsaac, Jared	3	$850,000
Newpower, Wyatt	3	$850,000
Veleno, Joseph	3	$1,750,000
Weatherby, Jasper	3	$850,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Chiasson, Alex	1	$850,000
Hägg, Robert	1	$850,000
Hellberg, Magnus	1	$850,000
Pearson, Chase	1	$950,000
Pysyk, Mark	1	$850,000
Gudas, Radko	4	$4,000,000
Severson, Damon	6	$6,000,000

Trades

DET

Additional Details:

ARI is going to be bad for a few years (Shocking, i know), so they are looking for futures. Wings have lots of D prospects, ARI needs D prospects ( I believe), so they make a deal work.

ARI

Edvinsson, Simon
Hanas, Cross
Viro, Eemil
2023 1st round pick (NYI)
2023 1st round pick (DET)

Additional Details:

Situation: Players DET wanted at 9 are all off the board, players left in 1st round don't move their needle much. They decide to take 1st Rds and go after top ARI forwards to fill needs.
DET make this move to try to get out of the 'murky middle' and try to get top talent seeing their draft lottery luck has been horrible.

Don't kill me over details of trade. But lets discuss if this is close, or what would it actually take

DET

Vladar, Daniel

CGY

Johansson, Albert
2024 3rd round pick (DET)

Additional Details:

B Level D Prospect, and a 3 Rounder.

Buyouts

Justin Abdelkader: $1,055,556

Retained Salary Transactions

Jakub Vrána: $2,625,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$79,957,222	$0	$3,407,500	$3,542,778

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Keller, Clayton $7,150,000$7,150,000 LW, RW UFA - 5	Larkin, Dylan $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NTC UFA - 8	Schmaltz, Nick $5,850,000$5,850,000 RW, C M-NTC UFA - 3
Perron, David $4,750,000$4,750,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Copp, Andrew $5,625,000$5,625,000 C, LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4	Raymond, Lucas $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) RW, LW RFA - 1
Fabbri, Robby $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW UFA - 2	Rasmussen, Michael $1,460,000$1,460,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Kubalik, Dominik $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Söderblom, Elmer $878,333$878,333 ($57,500$58K) LW, C RFA - 2	Veleno, Joseph $1,750,000$1,750,000 C RFA - 1	Berggren, Jonatan $925,000$925,000 RW, LW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Walman, Jake $3,400,000$3,400,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Seider, Moritz $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 1	Husso, Ville $4,750,000$4,750,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Määttä, Olli $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD UFA - 2	Severson, Damon $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD UFA - 8	Vladar, Daniel $2,200,000$2,200,000 G UFA - 2
Chiarot, Ben $4,750,000$4,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Gudas, Radko $4,000,000$4,000,000 RD UFA - 3

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Zadina, Filip $1,100,000$1,100,000 RW, LW RFA - 1
Hägg, Robert $850,000$850,000 LD UFA - 1
Pysyk, Mark $850,000$850,000 RD UFA - 1

May 26, 2023 at 11:57 a.m.

dtd_tank

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I'm not a fan of the ARI trade. I feel like you can get a guy with nearly Keller's ceiling around 9oa this year, and that Schmaltz won't cost a significant amount. Giving up Ed and 9oa in this trade is way too much for me.

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May 26, 2023 at 12:05 p.m.

MoSeider53

Future Norris guy

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That still doesn't get both players.

Clayton Keller = Simon Edvinson+Detroit 2023 1st round pick (9th overall)+New York islanders 2023 1st round pick (17th overall)

Nick Schmaltz > Emil Viro+Cross Hanas.

And there's no way we're trading both Simon Edvinsson and Albert Johansson. It would be one not both.

May 26, 2023 at 12:17 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

Joe

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God no. Helluva a player, but Edvinsson is a helluva prospect.
Johansson for Vladar straight up would be a questionable move.

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May 26, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.

IDKtbh

Stats Are For Losers

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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61

The overvaluing of Clayton Keller on this site is alarming. Detroit would never give up #9, #17 & Edvinsson for any player that is assumed to be available in trade right now and that is certainly an overpayment for Keller.

I’d pass on the trade.

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May 26, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.

buffbry

Buffbry

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I heard the same podcast and I think they are dead wrong in their evaluation here.

Edvinsson or Kasper should go nowhere.

Schmaltz is always hurt and not worth it for any price
Keller is small and overpriced. Unless it's reasonable I say no

Wouldn't sign any of the guys except gudas you mentioned

Vladar for a 3rd is good Enough, no need to include Albert

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May 26, 2023 at 1:15 p.m.

HockeyNut82

Thread Starter

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I agree - didn't like the Edvinsson part of the deal. But thought I'd throw it out there to see what it looked like.

But it was interesting to think of them using both 1st rounders to do something big.

May 26, 2023 at 1:28 p.m.

Bast

First round bust

Joined: May 2023

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Calgary agrees

As for the Arizona trade, it gives Detroit a 3 year window to contend at the price of two high 1sts. I see Detroit as a playoff team taking a divisional spot with that roster, but the inexperience in the playoffs will keep them from being a contender.

Arizona would consider it, but they could potentially get more assets in 2 different trades.

The free agent signings seem about right, but I don't think the Gudas contract will be good in the last 2 years.

May 28, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.

mmccRed198913

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

God no. Helluva a player, but Edvinsson is a helluva prospect.
Johansson for Vladar straight up would be a questionable move.

My thoughts exactly. Why in the world would we just hand AJ over? Now way, shape or form am I giving up Edvisson at this point in the rebuild

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