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Just A Bit Outside The Box

Created by: IDKtbh
Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: May 28, 2023
Published: May 28, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,875,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. Jones, Seth ($4,750,000 retained)
CHI
  1. Johansson, Albert
  2. 2023 1st round pick (NYI)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (DET)
2.
MTL
  1. Lombardi, Amadeus
  2. Zadina, Filip
  3. 2023 1st round pick (DET)
  4. 2023 2nd round pick (DET)
  5. 2024 3rd round pick (DET)
3.
DET
  1. Garland, Conor
  2. Myers, Tyler
  3. 2023 1st round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Kubalik, Dominik
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (STL)
  3. 2023 2nd round pick (VAN)
4.
DET
  1. Keller, Clayton ($3,500,000 retained)
  2. Vejmelka, Karel
ARI
  1. Buium, Shai [Reserve List]
  2. Doucet, Alexandre
  3. Fabbri, Robby
  4. Niederbach, Theodor [Reserve List]
  5. 2023 1st round pick (VAN)
  6. 2023 3rd round pick (DET)
  7. 2024 1st round pick (DET)
  8. 2024 1st round pick (BOS)
  9. 2025 2nd round pick (DET)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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Logo of the BOS
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Logo of the DET
Logo of the STL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$77,344,722$0$5,257,500$6,155,278
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$3,650,000$3,650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$878,333$878,333 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$918,333$918,333 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
C
RFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,625,000$5,625,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,460,000$1,460,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,875,000$1,875,000
C
RFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$3,400,000$3,400,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 3
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$4,750,000$4,750,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$2,725,000$2,725,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3

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May 29, 2023 at 6:20 p.m.
#101
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Seider for first overall?

An untouchable asset for another untouchable asset is a pointless move.

With that being said, we know Seider is going to be a perennial all star and soon to be Norris candidate annually. I personally would not trade Seider for anything and that includes the 1st overall pick and the ability to select the diminutive potential franchise prospect.
May 29, 2023 at 6:21 p.m.
#102
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Garland is worth a fifth. You could flip Kubalik for a second. So yes canucks accept


No they don’t…. The 11th overall is off the table unless a top 6 U25 center or top 4 U25 defenseman is coming the other way…. Quality over quantity. Canucks need high end prospects, not more mid ones
May 29, 2023 at 6:56 p.m.
#103
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Myers and Garland are cap dump (maybe not Garland but he has minimal value). Kubalik is worth a second at least. Three second > 11 overall + cap dumps


Kubalik and Garland are similar value players.

You can objectively look a pick values online. The 11th pick is worth 338 points. The 42nd and 43rd picks are worth 85 and 81 respectively. Pick any random other 2nd and the value is still not even close to the 11th. And that's assuming Kubalik is worth a 2nd which he isn't to the Canucks. And that Garland is worth nothing which he only is if the Canucks are completely cap crunched.
May 29, 2023 at 6:58 p.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
Kubalik and Garland are similar value players.

You can objectively look a pick values online. The 11th pick is worth 338 points. The 42nd and 43rd picks are worth 85 and 81 respectively. Pick any random other 2nd and the value is still not even close to the 11th. And that's assuming Kubalik is worth a 2nd which he isn't to the Canucks. And that Garland is worth nothing which he only is if the Canucks are completely cap crunched.

Fair argument except for Kubalik & Garland’s values being similar. They are not, for obvious monetary reasons.
May 29, 2023 at 7:07 p.m.
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Quoting: IDKtbh
Fair argument except for Kubalik & Garland’s values being similar. They are not, for obvious monetary reasons.


Thats why I said similar value players. Adding in salary Kubalik has more trade value but when Garland is expiring he'll have the same value. A 2nd probably at the deadline.
May 29, 2023 at 7:22 p.m.
#106
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Quoting: BigShoots
Thats why I said similar value players. Adding in salary Kubalik has more trade value but when Garland is expiring he'll have the same value. A 2nd probably at the deadline.

When Garland is expiring… in 4 years? What are we talking about here….
May 29, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.
#107
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Quoting: IDKtbh
When Garland is expiring… in 4 years? What are we talking about here….


Three more yrs. Two more than Kubalik. We are talking about a good player who is worth his contract but because there is a rumour he's being shopped and because the Canucks are known to need to shed some salary everyone thinks he has negative value.
May 29, 2023 at 11:03 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
He just got 66 points because of Caufield. Suzuki overperformed every analytical stats offensively. Both of their shooting % was 16%. No way they can keep that up. Suzuki is a career 10-11% and caufield will be a career 13-14%

And the way he plays, he shouldnt even be playing Center. He plays along the boards and never occupies the middle. And hes too slow to make it up defensively. So in an ideal world, hes on the right wing anyways. And even then, he still wont be a ppg player because hes not that good at driving offence on his own. Dach and Caufield are the only ones on the roster rn that could get ppg.


Maybe you should watch more games instead of posting garbage takes like this here, maybe you'd understand hockey better.

Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
1) turn cap lock off

2) the Habs should be looking for futures since they’re about a decade away from competing for a wild card spot.

3) LOL at Montreal being the Mecca of hockey.

4) “proven himself” to average .7 points per game(across 4 years, he’s not a rookie). That’s good enough to be a very solid 2C.

5) thinking that you can get a teams top player just because you’re giving your top player is silly. If that’s the case, the Sharks should be trading Karlsson for McDavid, after all they’re both teams top players


Habs 10 years away? You are delusional lol.

I know you hate the habs but atleast try to hide your bias a bit.
May 30, 2023 at 8:02 a.m.
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Quoting: IDKtbh
I agree with everything you said except for the part about needing to reach the cap floor. Signing a free agent RHD for $5m solves that issue/difference quite easily. I do however think if CHI did do something like this, I’d still do it from chicagos perspective but I’d want a lot more.


Yes, the cap floor is a minor thing, the retention is huge and to give DET of all teams a top D man for 5m for the next 7 years as a CHI GM can get you fired.

7 years retention is far too long to even consider without a mammoth return which no team in the league would be willing or should do, the move can't happen.
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May 30, 2023 at 10:45 a.m.
#110
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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
Suzuki is as untouchable as Seider. But it doesn’t mean a good offer won’t be accept


Suzuki is untouchable, unless it’s a good offer 😂
*hey siri, what’s the definition of untouchable*

But saying Suzuki is the same value or level as Seider is foolish.
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May 30, 2023 at 10:54 a.m.
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Quoting: Aussie_Blackhawk
Yes, the cap floor is a minor thing, the retention is huge and to give DET of all teams a top D man for 5m for the next 7 years as a CHI GM can get you fired.

7 years retention is far too long to even consider without a mammoth return which no team in the league would be willing or should do, the move can't happen.

Dang what y’all got against the red wings 😂 we’re not in the same division/conference anymore
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May 30, 2023 at 10:55 a.m.
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Quoting: Bloodraven
Maybe you should watch more games instead of posting garbage takes like this here, maybe you'd understand hockey better.



Habs 10 years away? You are delusional lol.

I know you hate the habs but atleast try to hide your bias a bit.


JeffGorton brought actual stats and facts and you replied with insults and “nuh uhh” 😂

10 years in this division in accurate. And I don’t hate the Habs, i nothing the Habs. They just exist. Avs, Leafs, Blackhawks, Bettman I hate. Habs… meh

Suzuki is good yes. Statistically so far he’s shown to be a very good 2C. But until he averages a PPG season, he’s just a good 2C. Same argument can still be made with Larkin who has put up significantly better seasons(on equally bad teams, maybe worse) than Suzuki so far.
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May 30, 2023 at 10:57 a.m.
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Quoting: IDKtbh
Dang what y’all got against the red wings 😂 we’re not in the same division/conference anymore


Little brother always gonna little brother. Even after their recent run and (totally legit and in no way rigged) lottery gift from the league 😂
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