Offers for DeBrincat that beat Lapierre 40th overall and 2024 1st from the Caps

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Created by: sensonfire

Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators

Initial Creation Date: Jun. 8, 2023

Published: Jun. 8, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

I made an offer to Washington where we give them DeBrincat for Hendrix Lapierre + #40 overall + Washington's 2024 1st.

It was widely accepted by several ACGMers who are Caps fans.

This ACGM is about showcasing better offers that were made recently other teams in ACGM.

Trades

OTT

Bokk, Dominik [RFA Rights]
Coghlan, Dylan [RFA Rights]
Drury, Jack
Teräväinen, Teuvo
2023 1st round pick (CAR)
2024 2nd round pick (CAR)
2024 2nd round pick (PHI)

Additional Details:

1 year with another Top 6 forward + depth defenceman + two 23 year old former bluechip prospects + #30 overall in 2023 + two 2024 seconds

CAR

DeBrincat, Alex [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

DeBrincat and Cap Dumps

by seanrushton

Favourite team: Carolina Hurricanes

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4261674

OTT

Additional Details:

1 year with Tyler Toffoli and Chris Tanev + Daniel Vladar + Calgary's 2024 1st

The OP says there would be "some amalgamation of conditions since this pick is involved in the Monahan trade".

It's not clear to me what that would be.

All I know is that the 2024 1st would belong to Montreal if it's #20 overall or lower AND Montreal would rather have that instead of a 2025 1st.

CGY

The Cat

by Ledge_And_Dairy

Favourite team: Calgary Flames

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4255082

OTT

Poulin, Samuel
2023 1st round pick (PIT)
2024 2nd round pick (PIT)

Additional Details:

Former bluechip prospect + #14 overall in 2023 + 2024 2nd

PIT

Maybe

by Sasuke9171

Favourite team: Pittsburgh Penguins

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/720833

OTT

Blackwood, Mackenzie [RFA Rights]
Bratt, Jesper [RFA Rights]

Additional Details:

Signing rights to both Jesper Bratt and Mackenzie Blackwood

NJD

Bratt and Meier both cant get it done

by MartysBetter29

Favourite team: New Jersey Devils

https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4264035

OTT

Dvorak, Christian
Pitlick, Rem
2023 1st round pick (MTL)

Additional Details:

Two roster players + #5 overall in 2023

MTL

Next Season

by Making History

Favourite Team: Montreal Canadiens

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/720546

Buyouts

Bobby Ryan: $1,833,333
Colin White: $875,000
Michael Del Zotto: $750,000

Retained Salary Transactions

Matt Murray: $1,562,500 (25%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2023
2024
2025

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$83,500,000	$83,749,047	$0	$1,850,000	-$249,047

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tkachuk, Brady $8,205,714$8,205,714 LW UFA - 5	Stützle, Tim $8,350,000$8,350,000 C UFA - 8	Giroux, Claude $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, C NMC UFA - 2
Teräväinen, Teuvo $5,400,000$5,400,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Norris, Joshua $7,950,000$7,950,000 C UFA - 7	Toffoli, Tyler $2,125,000$2,125,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Joseph, Mathieu $2,950,000$2,950,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Batherson, Drake $4,975,000$4,975,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Kelly, Parker $762,500$762,500 LW RFA - 1	Drury, Jack $925,000$925,000 C RFA - 1	Kastelic, Mark $835,000$835,000 C, RW RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 5	Zub, Artem $4,600,000$4,600,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 4	Forsberg, Anton $2,750,000$2,750,000 G UFA - 2
Chychrun, Jakob $4,600,000$4,600,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Tanev, Christopher $1,125,000$1,125,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Vladar, Daniel $2,200,000$2,200,000 G UFA - 2
Sanderson, Jake $925,000$925,000 ($1,850,000$2M) LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Pitlick, Rem $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Jun. 8, 2023 at 3:55 p.m.

Your_Next_General_Manager

Hunter Mikosz

Joined: Feb. 2022

Posts: 213

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Debrincat would be interesting in a trade for Carter Hart but Debrincat would need to be signed to 8 years.

Jun. 8, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.

sensonfire

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sensonfire

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Quoting: Your_Next_General_Manager

Debrincat would be interesting in a trade for Carter Hart but Debrincat would need to be signed to 8 years.

Flyers should be rebuilding, not trading for DeBrincat.

Any return for Hart that doesn't include both a 1st and a 2nd should be unacceptable for the Flyers.

Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:16 p.m.

athrin

Joined: May 2017

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Both Tuevo and Taffoli are too old for OTT to want them in any Cat trade and OTT has less than zero interest in tanev

bratt for Cat works only if both player sign with the team being traded too

MTL is not going to trade 5th OA

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Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:16 p.m.

athrin

Joined: May 2017

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Quoting: sensonfire

Flyers should be rebuilding, not trading for DeBrincat.

Any return for Hart that doesn't include both a 1st and a 2nd should be unacceptable for the Flyers.

Hart is not worth a 1st and certainly not worth Cat

Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.

JeffGorton

Jeff Gorton

Joined: Oct. 2020

Posts: 2,268

Likes: 541

Cat is getting a late 1st round pick, top 9 forward and b prospect at most. Sens arent getting more than they paid for him last draft

Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:21 p.m.

Caniac555

Hurricane Tulsky

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I’m becoming more aligned with the high visibility RFAs (PLD, Cat, Meier, etc) signing shorter term 2-4 year deals. I’m growing more willing to think the Canes actually make a trade for one of these players.

What if the Cames moved Necas one for one for Cat? Would Cat sign a 3 x $7.75m?

Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:24 p.m.

ecupirate07

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despite the Canes' fan proposal, the canes wouldnt pay half of that for Debrincat. That proposal was a massive overpay.

Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:43 p.m.

Tbrew

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NJ definitely doesn’t have a problem fitting bratt and Timo. That looks like it’s just a what if, where the available cap is spent elsewhere

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Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:45 p.m.

sensonfire

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sensonfire

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Quoting: athrin

Hart is not worth a 1st and certainly not worth Cat

I never suggested trading the Cat for Hart.

Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:46 p.m.

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sensonfire

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sensonfire

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Quoting: JeffGorton

Cat is getting a late 1st round pick, top 9 forward and b prospect at most. Sens arent getting more than they paid for him last draft

Depending on who the Top 9 forward and the b prospect are, I wouldn't mind that at all.

Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:49 p.m.

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sensonfire

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sensonfire

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Quoting: Caniac555

1. Ottawa would accept Necas and a conditional pick that would materialize if the Cat scores 40 goals again.

2. The Cat is not signing for less than Caufield.

Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:49 p.m.

#12

sensonfire

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sensonfire

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Quoting: ecupirate07

despite the Canes' fan proposal, the canes wouldnt pay half of that for Debrincat. That proposal was a massive overpay.

I agree.

That's part of why I included it.

Jun. 8, 2023 at 4:58 p.m.

#13

Caniac555

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If DeBrincat signs for 3 years as an example - there is not a comparable between the two. He will have an opportunity to sign another contract when the Cap is raised to as high as 90m as projected.

Quoting: sensonfire

1. Ottawa would accept Necas and a conditional pick that would materialize if the Cat scores 40 goals again.

2. The Cat is not signing for less than Caufield.

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