I guess

Personally I love this move for both teams, creative thinking

NGL, this is probably the biggest indicator that a trade is a good on on CF lmao

Value is super fair for both teams. I just don't think Garland is what the Leafs need. But it would be hard to turn down the 11th overall pick. I really like Lily.

You could sell me on this trade though.

Mikheyev and Van 1st for Lily and Boston 1st and I instantly agree. I miss Mikheyev!

Miky doesn't look the same.
Something is off with him - no thankyou.
And I really want to draft Moore. I think he goes in the 11-15 range and this gets us to the front of the line in that respect. Thats an extraordinarily fast 2-way centre who can come in as a 3C in 2025 and eventually be a 2C behind Matthews.

I love Liljegren, not a chance VAN does this

proper value, makes sense with your timeline and is a position of desperate need at a low $$ cost - all while dumping a contract that you haven't been able to give away?
Colour me doubtful that the no comes from VAN

Proper value if it was another draft year. Liljegren would be great but VAN can't trade away more picks. This team needs a Moore or Reinbacher or whoever is available at 11 much more then they need Liljegren.

Let's be real here, if Hirose is our second pair Dman, we probably aren't contending at the moment

You are more than welcome to tell that to your owner - but they very clearly think they are

They moved Horvat. They acquired Hronek afterwards sure, but let's not act like the Canucks are going all in

What do we think Liljegren's value is straight up? He has decent underlying numbers in a sheltered role, has only really played 3rd pair and was sat for the entire playoffs.

For me Garland is at worst an even asset. Can be traded without adding anything of real value. Add the 11th to that.

I think that is pretty bad for Van and I am a Liljegren fan.

I'm not sure how you don't see what they're doing. Is it some kind of protective denial so you don't go insane or what?

I literally list Lily's value in the desc you didn't read. Which also answers your wrong Garland opinion too.

Obviously they're trying to be competitive now but they didn't trade their first last year and I doubt they trade it now. You know who is trying to win now though, the Maple Leafs

Yup, and we have a glut of RHD both NHL ready and in the system, so we move one to make space and extract value for elsewhere

If the Canucks weren't needing to clear space Garland wouldn't be a negative asset. If you love Dom's model just go look at his output there. He's worth his contract. It's just teams aren't offering anything to the Canucks right now because they don't have to. If you can explain why he's a negative asset based on his production I'm all ears.

But I'll put it to you like this. What do you hope you are getting with a late 1st? If you draft a winger you hope they're middle six in 3 yrs. Garland is already that.

Buddy doesn't know that trade value != intrinsic value lmao

You can snark all you want but trade value doesn't mean anything unless there is a trade. Outside of that its speculation. Have you noticed that Garland wasn't moved after that report? I wonder why? Any guesses?

This is insane amounts of copium.

Haha nothing to say hey. I love it.

According to reports every Canucks player has negative value. hmm I wonder why?

Probably has something to do with the fact that your players are chronically overpaid and also bad.

It will be fun watching you melt down when you inevitably trade these guys for nothing (at best)

Well you mentioned trade value vs intrinsic value and now you've gone and put your foot in your mouth with this response.

I'm fine with moving players with picks if they're actually bad ie Myers, OEL but when they're actually good Boeser, Beauvillier, Garland I think it's an obvious game of chicken happening with teams thinking the Canucks might be willing to lose a trade to gain cap space.

But again if you want to explain to me why Garland is a negative asset besides the fact the Canucks might prefer to have a few million in cap space Im all ears. Cause if it costs to move Garland why not just keep him and pay to sell Myers?