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Random Thoughts - NYR Side

Created by: dtd_tank
Team: 2023-24 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 16, 2023
Published: Jun. 16, 2023
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I'm not a fan of either team, just had a thought regarding this trade last night and wanted to see how it would play out.

I know people are going to say they can't afford that cap hit for Nylander next year, but I wanted to note that Trouba's NMC becomes a m-NTC next summer, which can really help clean up the situation. I didn't try to move any NMC players with this because it's unlikely to happen anyway.

Laf's contract actually came in at 2.25M rather than the 2.75M mentioned in the trade box.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$925,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,200,000
3$2,750,000
1$775,000
2$1,150,000
Trades
NYR
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
Additional Details:
Nylander comes extended at 8y, $9.25M
TOR
  1. Goodrow, Barclay
  2. Lafrenière, Alexis [RFA Rights]
  3. Miller, K'Andre [RFA Rights]
Additional Details:
Miller comes extended at 8y, $6.75M
Lafreniere comes extended at 2y, $2.75M
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$83,500,000$83,482,782$610,892$482,500$17,218
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$11,642,857$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 3
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 4
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW
RFA - 1
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$4,437,500$4,437,500
C, LW
UFA - 4
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$800,000$800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$828,333$828,333 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
LW
RFA - 2
$1,150,000$1,150,000
C
UFA - 2
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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LD
RFA - 1
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RD
UFA - 6
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$5,666,667$5,666,667
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 1
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 3
$775,000$775,000
G
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$787,500$787,500
LD
UFA - 2

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Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:13 p.m.
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Goodrow will reject. Remove him and insert Kakko with Schneider.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:13 p.m.
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I think the Leafs would do that, not sure if the Rangers would.
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Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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No shot Rangers are willing to give that much up.
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Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:16 p.m.
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I think the Leafs would do that, not sure if the Rangers would.


We don't. Rangers D is significantly weaker after the trade. Rather keep what we have and buyout Goodrow for capspace if needed.
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Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:18 p.m.
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Even if that trade happens, they better have another LW ready for when Robertson gets hurt again
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:20 p.m.
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Goodrow will reject. Remove him and insert Kakko with Schneider.


Lol Schneider, Kakko, Laffy and Miller for Nylander and Robertson? You’re out of your mind
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Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Rags21
Lol Schneider, Kakko, Laffy and Miller for Nylander and Robertson? You’re out of your mind


No you're just ignoring it from the TOR perspective. Nylander straight up for a top pair RD is what makes sense. You aren't offering that and therefore TOR would want A LOT of pieces especially from an in conference contender. The originally proposed offer would get rejected as it makes TOR worse.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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No you're just ignoring it from the TOR perspective. Nylander straight up for a top pair RD is what makes sense. You aren't offering that and therefore TOR would want A LOT of pieces especially from an in conference contender. The originally proposed offer would get rejected as it makes TOR worse.


Nylander isn’t worth 4 first round picks lmao. Leaving the rangers with 3 spots to fill after the fact
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Rags21
Nylander isn’t worth 4 first round picks lmao. Leaving the rangers with 3 spots to fill after the fact


I don't think it makes sense for NYR either. HOWEVER, I am demonstrating what TOR would ask for from an in-conference contender that isn't providing an optimal return. Hence why in conference contenders almost never trade much less for major pieces.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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I don't think it makes sense for NYR either. HOWEVER, I am demonstrating what TOR would ask for from an in-conference contender that isn't providing an optimal return. Hence why in conference contenders almost never trade much less for major pieces.


If the rangers gave up those 4 kids for Nylander, Toronto wins that trade by a landslide
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Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:31 p.m.
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Rangers reject. Miller is a top LD, Laffy is a top LW for Nylander a top 6 C/RW. Robertson and Goodrow have the same value, mind yeah at least Goodrow will play for you unlike Robertson being on the IR.

I wouldn't trade you Laffy str8 up for 1 year of Nylander.
I wouldn't trade you Miller str8 up for 1 year of Nylander.
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Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
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Rangers reject. Miller is a top LD, Laffy is a top LW for Nylander a top 6 C/RW. Robertson and Goodrow have the same value, mind yeah at least Goodrow will play for you unlike Robertson being on the IR.

I wouldn't trade you Laffy str8 up for 1 year of Nylander.
I wouldn't trade you Miller str8 up for 1 year of Nylander.


I'm not a fan of either team of any of the players involved. I'm as unbiased as they come here.

Nylander comes with an 8 yr extension, so you actually have him for 9, not 1.

Laf is not proven to be more than a 3rd liner at this point, but has upside to become top 6. Nylander was 20th in league scoring this past year and has 74 G the last 2 seasons, which is certainly top line quality. He can also play C in a pinch while being a RH shot which NYR only has 1 of out of its top 6 wingers.

Miller is a top 4 Dman, but not a "top LD". He could become a 1st pairing LD, yes, but I don't think anybody is expecting him to be a Norris contender at any point (which would make him a "top LD").

Lastly, Goodrow here is a cap dump, actually. Robertson has relatively low value in the scheme of things.
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Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Rags21
If the rangers gave up those 4 kids for Nylander, Toronto wins that trade by a landslide


Trades aren't made in a vacuum and it is a zero sum league. GMs have ownership and media considerations- ESPECIALLY in Toronto. Toronto wouldn't want to trade Nylander to an in-conference contender. Again, go back and look at major trades made, notice that in-conference contenders rarely make those trades? There's a reason for that. Maybe if Nylander publicly said he would only extend in NYR then you might get this trade. If Miller were a RD then I would say it would be possible. Miller is a second pairing LD for Toronto. Nylander is the best value of their big four on a cap tight team. Treliving MUST get a landslide victory to make this trade with NYR otherwise he will be crushed by media and ownership.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:41 p.m.
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Goodrow will reject. Remove him and insert Kakko with Schneider.


You're delusional
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Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.
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Quoting: jfkst1
Trades aren't made in a vacuum and it is a zero sum league. GMs have ownership and media considerations- ESPECIALLY in Toronto. Toronto wouldn't want to trade Nylander to an in-conference contender. Again, go back and look at major trades made, notice that in-conference contenders rarely make those trades? There's a reason for that. Maybe if Nylander publicly said he would only extend in NYR then you might get this trade. If Miller were a RD then I would say it would be possible. Miller is a second pairing LD for Toronto. Nylander is the best value of their big four on a cap tight team. Treliving MUST get a landslide victory to make this trade with NYR otherwise he will be crushed by media and ownership.


You could say the same about the Rangers. Drury would have his head on a spike in NY if he made that trade. New Yorkers are intense about their sports teams, which is why Broadway is not for everyone
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:45 p.m.
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I'm not a fan of either team of any of the players involved. I'm as unbiased as they come here.

Nylander comes with an 8 yr extension, so you actually have him for 9, not 1.

Laf is not proven to be more than a 3rd liner at this point, but has upside to become top 6. Nylander was 20th in league scoring this past year and has 74 G the last 2 seasons, which is certainly top line quality. He can also play C in a pinch while being a RH shot which NYR only has 1 of out of its top 6 wingers.

Miller is a top 4 Dman, but not a "top LD". He could become a 1st pairing LD, yes, but I don't think anybody is expecting him to be a Norris contender at any point (which would make him a "top LD").

Lastly, Goodrow here is a cap dump, actually. Robertson has relatively low value in the scheme of things.


With laf he looks like a 3rd liner because that's where GG played him, kakko and chytil. Laf can easily be a top 6 player if we didn't have a lw log jam. Also get almost no pp time. With miller the guy had 40+ points this season at 23 with almost no pp time. And finally rangers can't afford another 9m player
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:47 p.m.
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You could say the same about the Rangers. Drury would have his head on a spike in NY if he made that trade. New Yorkers are intense about their sports teams, which is why Broadway is not for everyone


Which just reinforces my original opinion that these two teams would almost never make any big trades.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:49 p.m.
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Which just reinforces my original opinion that these two teams would almost never make any big trades.


Correct. Well toronto fans seem to want goodrow for some reason lol
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:50 p.m.
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Correct. Well toronto fans seem to want goodrow for some reason lol


Are they trying to acquire him in other ACGMs also? I'm gonna be honest, I didn't really check other ACGM's for Goodrow trades before posting this.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:57 p.m.
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Are they trying to acquire him in other ACGMs also? I'm gonna be honest, I didn't really check other ACGM's for Goodrow trades before posting this.


Yea but it was either goodrow for a 7th/FC or they think rangers would pay a 2nd/3rd to dump him when they could buy him out
Jun. 16, 2023 at 12:57 p.m.
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I'm not a fan of either team of any of the players involved. I'm as unbiased as they come here.

Nylander comes with an 8 yr extension, so you actually have him for 9, not 1.

Laf is not proven to be more than a 3rd liner at this point, but has upside to become top 6. Nylander was 20th in league scoring this past year and has 74 G the last 2 seasons, which is certainly top line quality. He can also play C in a pinch while being a RH shot which NYR only has 1 of out of its top 6 wingers.

Miller is a top 4 Dman, but not a "top LD". He could become a 1st pairing LD, yes, but I don't think anybody is expecting him to be a Norris contender at any point (which would make him a "top LD").

Lastly, Goodrow here is a cap dump, actually. Robertson has relatively low value in the scheme of things.


Trouba was brutal last year which effected Miller overall stats. He was cleaning up all of Trouba's mistake. With that being said, he still gets 43 points without being on the PP and you only can imagine what them stats would be if he was on the PP. It's his Def that really stands out if you watch him.

Laffy is so much better then what the stats are showing. We're under playing him because we have LW Kreider & LW Panarin. It's not because he's not good enough on why he's not playing top LW. It's because of this damn peeking order this Rangers teams has, which is extremely frustrating. Watch for Kreider to be playing 3rd line LW next year. Rangers first line Laffy-Mika-Kakko next year. Then what will the naysayer say now.

That's the different from being a Rangers fan to not being one. Because you didn't know any of this. Miller is a top LD and Laffy is a top LW.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 1:02 p.m.
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Trouba was brutal year last year which effected Miller overall stats. Had been cleaning up all of Trouba's mistake. With that being said, he still gets 43 points without being on the PP time and you only can imagine what them stats would be if he was on the PP. It's his Def that really stands out if you watch him.

Laffy is so much better then what the stats are showing. We're under playing him because we have LW Kreider & LW Panarin. It's not because he's not good enough on why he's not playing top LW. It's because of this damn peeking order this Rangers teams has, which is extremely frustrating. Watch for Kreider to be playing 3rd line LW next year. Rangers first line Laffy-Mika-Kakko next year. Then what will the naysayer say now.

That's the different from being a Rangers fan to not being one. Because you didn't know any of this. Miller is a top LD and Laffy is a top LW.


I don't expect any team to put a player on their 3rd line after a 35+ goal campaign. I wouldn't count on NYR doing it with Kreider.

Also, there's no way to call a guy who is not playing top pair/line minutes a top LD/LW. That's all hypothetical until it actually happens. You're just being a Homer (fitting PFP, BTW!).
Jun. 16, 2023 at 3:54 p.m.
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Opposite of what Can do or need. Thanks anyway
 
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