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Who Says No

Created by: LionsHergonja
Published: Jun. 16, 2023 at 2:31 p.m.
Salary Cap: $83,500,000
Season Days: 185/186 (99%)
Central Registry Determination: This trade has been rejected because the upper limit has been exceeded by one of the trade parties

Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMontreal Canadiens

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Primeau, CaydenMontreal CanadiensMinor-$0011-------00
Dach, KirbyMontreal CanadiensNHL-$3,344,422011---0000--
Caufield, ColeMontreal CanadiensIR-$7,807,796011---0000--
Slafkovsky, JurajWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensIR-$944,892011---0000--
2025 2nd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
2025 3rd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Marner, MitchellToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$10,844,382011---0000--
Matthews, AustonToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$11,577,668011---0000--
Woll, JosephToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$762,545011-------00
McMann, BobbyToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Boston BruinsBOS)---100------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$725,8342037555617
Change-$11,087,4852001-20
Final-$10,361,651 (↓)22 (↑)37556 (↑)4 (↓)17000

Logo of the Toronto Maple LeafsToronto Maple Leafs

OutStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Marner, MitchellToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$10,844,382011---0000--
Matthews, AustonToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$11,577,668011---0000--
Woll, JosephToronto Maple LeafsNHL-$762,545011-------00
McMann, BobbyToronto Maple LeafsMinor-$0011---0000--
2023 1st round pick (Logo of the Boston BruinsBOS)---100------
InStatusRetained SalaryEffective Cap HitRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Primeau, CaydenMontreal CanadiensMinor-$0011-------00
Dach, KirbyMontreal CanadiensNHL-$3,344,422011---0000--
Caufield, ColeMontreal CanadiensIR-$7,807,796011---0000--
Slafkovsky, JurajWaivers ExemptMontreal CanadiensIR-$944,892011---0000--
2025 2nd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
2025 3rd round pick (Logo of the Montreal CanadiensMTL)---010------
ChangeCap SpaceRosterSPCReserve ListDraft Rd 1Rd 2-3Rd 4-7GPGAPGAASv%
Initial$9,143,5501533472212
Change$11,087,485-200-120
Final$20,231,035 (↑)13 (↓)33471 (↓)4 (↑)12000
Jun. 16, 2023 at 2:37 p.m.
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Everyone. Everyone says no.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
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Montreal doesn't say no. Montreal would love this trade.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 3:02 p.m.
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terrible trade for the habs
Jun. 16, 2023 at 3:13 p.m.
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Montreal doesn't say no. Montreal would love this trade.


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terrible trade for the habs


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Jun. 16, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
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terrible trade for the habs


hahahahahahahahaha
Jun. 16, 2023 at 3:18 p.m.
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Both say no, makes 0 sense for both teams
Jun. 16, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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This is a hypothetical trade, obviously. Why would Toronto do this? If they wanted to they could trade both Marner and Matthews in separate deals to different teams and end up with a haul. More of a haul than this trade scenario. To say this is a terrible trade from Montreal's perspective is laughable, too funny. Montreal would love to have both of these guys, nevermind packaged in the same deal, get real. Any team would love to have either Marner or Matthews.
Jun. 16, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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why would the habs want to add 2 glorified losers to their team?
no reason to give up 2 unproven young players in the playoffs + one player who made it all the way to the finals
Jun. 16, 2023 at 10:44 p.m.
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Marner is overpaid and Matthews would be a one year player in Montreal. No way Habs make this trade.
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Jun. 17, 2023 at 11:25 p.m.
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This is a hypothetical trade, obviously. Why would Toronto do this? If they wanted to they could trade both Marner and Matthews in separate deals to different teams and end up with a haul. More of a haul than this trade scenario. To say this is a terrible trade from Montreal's perspective is laughable, too funny. Montreal would love to have both of these guys, nevermind packaged in the same deal, get real. Any team would love to have either Marner or Matthews.


Yeah no mtl won't want any of the fourth core from Leafs. No offense but player who take every money available and didn't perform after that don't need that.

Meanwhile in mtl the best player have taken a reduced cash rate to be able to have better team overall.
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Jun. 28, 2023 at 11:20 a.m.
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Yeah no mtl won't want any of the fourth core from Leafs. No offense but player who take every money available and didn't perform after that don't need that.

Meanwhile in mtl the best player have taken a reduced cash rate to be able to have better team overall.


The two best players in this deal are Matthews and Marner. Suzuki is the best player on Montreal and he isn't even included in this deal. Montreal is built horribly, the tightest team to the cap and they aren't competitive right now. How many forwards does this team need? I bet you guys were waiting to see them get Dubois for nothing. Hahahaha
Jun. 28, 2023 at 11:55 a.m.
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The two best players in this deal are Matthews and Marner. Suzuki is the best player on Montreal and he isn't even included in this deal. Montreal is built horribly, the tightest team to the cap and they aren't competitive right now. How many forwards does this team need? I bet you guys were waiting to see them get Dubois for nothing. Hahahaha


Yeah Suzuki is the best player on Montreal roster currently that precisely why no player get more $$ then him which is call an internal cap hierarchy. You have Caufield who have accepted to take less money because he want to have player around to be good and pay aswell .

Meanwhile Marner and Matthews are both excellent player yeah but take every buck possible on the table. You call Montreal horribly build and tight on the cap space but look at Toronto situation where they have no money to really made move. Toronto have currently 9m available maybe 14 if they use LTIR and have maybe around 12 to 15 spot to fill on NHL and AHL roster. There only one year left on Matthews contract how many $$ do you think he would want ?? I would guess he would be around 12 to 15 millions which you can argue that is the price of an Matthews but with him asking that Marner will have more money in two year after that Nylander will want more money in final you will still have fourth player team that take all the $$ and nothing around.



Did Montreal have bad contract ? Absolutely someone like Hoffman, Gallagher or Armia shouldn't have been given this much or an contract. But the difference is that it's not Kent Hughes that have done that. It's Marc Bergevin who have left Montreal with some good ( Suzuki Caufield etc) and some bad ( Hoffman & cie).


Speaking of Marc Bergevin want to know an fun fact ? He's currently working with Los Angeles management group along with is good friends Luc Robitaille. Another fun fact is that both guys is good friends with a guys name pat Brisson, you know the guys who is working to get Dubois out of Winnipeg and send it to los Angeles.


Maybe if it was still Bergevin managing the Habs, Dubois would have been trade to Montreal and guys like Kirby Dach would have been pay to acquire him but we can clearly see that Kent Hughes don't want to take shortcut and get at the end average.


And yes my opinion is that Dubois worth 7.5m to 7.850m as Suzuki and Caufield and I wouldn't trade Villardi, Kupari, Iaffalo and an second round pick for acquiring an guys who could have been UFA next summer and would only cost the money you would give him. And in final Dubois have done exactly what every other guys have done use Montreal market to boost is campaign to sell him on bigger contract.
Jun. 28, 2023 at 12:14 p.m.
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Quoting: EatMyScoobySnack
Yeah Suzuki is the best player on Montreal roster currently that precisely why no player get more $$ then him which is call an internal cap hierarchy. You have Caufield who have accepted to take less money because he want to have player around to be good and pay aswell .

Meanwhile Marner and Matthews are both excellent player yeah but take every buck possible on the table. You call Montreal horribly build and tight on the cap space but look at Toronto situation where they have no money to really made move. Toronto have currently 9m available maybe 14 if they use LTIR and have maybe around 12 to 15 spot to fill on NHL and AHL roster. There only one year left on Matthews contract how many $$ do you think he would want ?? I would guess he would be around 12 to 15 millions which you can argue that is the price of an Matthews but with him asking that Marner will have more money in two year after that Nylander will want more money in final you will still have fourth player team that take all the $$ and nothing around.



Did Montreal have bad contract ? Absolutely someone like Hoffman, Gallagher or Armia shouldn't have been given this much or an contract. But the difference is that it's not Kent Hughes that have done that. It's Marc Bergevin who have left Montreal with some good ( Suzuki Caufield etc) and some bad ( Hoffman & cie).


Speaking of Marc Bergevin want to know an fun fact ? He's currently working with Los Angeles management group along with is good friends Luc Robitaille. Another fun fact is that both guys is good friends with a guys name pat Brisson, you know the guys who is working to get Dubois out of Winnipeg and send it to los Angeles.


Maybe if it was still Bergevin managing the Habs, Dubois would have been trade to Montreal and guys like Kirby Dach would have been pay to acquire him but we can clearly see that Kent Hughes don't want to take shortcut and get at the end average.


And yes my opinion is that Dubois worth 7.5m to 7.850m as Suzuki and Caufield and I wouldn't trade Villardi, Kupari, Iaffalo and an second round pick for acquiring an guys who could have been UFA next summer and would only cost the money you would give him. And in final Dubois have done exactly what every other guys have done use Montreal market to boost is campaign to sell him on bigger contract.


Dubois is worth every bit of $8.5 million over 8 years. He would of been the best player on Montreal's roster. I think L.A won the trade. Hughes isn't building this team right. Alex Newhook? Why? I bet you personally would prefer to draft #31 and #37 over having this guy and now having to sign him to a new contract as an RFA. Colorado fleeced Montreal with this trade. Montreal doesn't even have the money to sign this RFA right now.
Jun. 28, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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Dubois is worth every bit of $8.5 million over 8 years. He would of been the best player on Montreal's roster. I think L.A won the trade. Hughes isn't building this team right. Alex Newhook? Why? I bet you personally would prefer to draft #31 and #37 over having this guy and now having to sign him to a new contract as an RFA. Colorado fleeced Montreal with this trade. Montreal doesn't even have the money to sign this RFA right now.


You know that there is something call LTIR ?? the reason why Montreal is have -1.5m cap space is because in summer all contracts impact the cap salary. When Carey Price will failed is medical exam on the first day of camp he will be place on LTIR which would free 10m capacity.

Newhook contract should be around 2.5 to 3.5 max for three or four year which an good bridge deal. Would I have pick with #31 and #37 yeah maybe but that because I got some goaltender high on my personal non professional prospect list. Someone like Michael Hrabal or Trey Augustine.

What would you give to pick #16 ?? Because that how the trade look, Newhook is pick #16 and you give 31 and 37 to go up in your draft for an 22 years old center that didn't have time on ice to prove what is worth and that is could mess well with the core team.


Also another thing to think there limite of 50 contract and you can't sign everyone. With how much Bergevin and Hughes have in last draft there so much you can do with this much prospect to sign.
Jun. 28, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.
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You know that there is something call LTIR ?? the reason why Montreal is have -1.5m cap space is because in summer all contracts impact the cap salary. When Carey Price will failed is medical exam on the first day of camp he will be place on LTIR which would free 10m capacity.

Newhook contract should be around 2.5 to 3.5 max for three or four year which an good bridge deal. Would I have pick with #31 and #37 yeah maybe but that because I got some goaltender high on my personal non professional prospect list. Someone like Michael Hrabal or Trey Augustine.

What would you give to pick #16 ?? Because that how the trade look, Newhook is pick #16 and you give 31 and 37 to go up in your draft for an 22 years old center that didn't have time on ice to prove what is worth and that is could mess well with the core team.


Also another thing to think there limite of 50 contract and you can't sign everyone. With how much Bergevin and Hughes have in last draft there so much you can do with this much prospect to sign.


Are you honestly comparing when Newhook was drafted (at 16th overall). Colorado doesn't need this guy, he's a good player but they just flipped the 37th overall pick for Ross Colton. One of the picks Montreal just gave up to get this guy. Montreal picked Kotka (3rd overall) over Brady Tkachuk (4th overall) and they also traded Drouin (drafted 3 overall) for Sergachev (drafted 9th overall). How did those work out for Montreal. I get you're a Montreal fan, but, writing is on the wall.
Jun. 28, 2023 at 2:23 p.m.
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Are you honestly comparing when Newhook was drafted (at 16th overall). Colorado doesn't need this guy, he's a good player but they just flipped the 37th overall pick for Ross Colton. One of the picks Montreal just gave up to get this guy. Montreal picked Kotka (3rd overall) over Brady Tkachuk (4th overall) and they also traded Drouin (drafted 3 overall) for Sergachev (drafted 9th overall). How did those work out for Montreal. I get you're a Montreal fan, but, writing is on the wall.


Of course they flip #37 to get Ross Colton, avalanche is in win now situation. They see that Newhook development is not where they would want and can't wait the one/two year that will take.

Which writhing on the wall are you talking, Newhook is only 22 years old and he's on the top 10 or 12 of is year draft in term of points. He's averaging an 10 to 15 min which is fourth to mid third line minutes have no pp time and few pk time.
 
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