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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 20, 2023
Published: Jun. 20, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,850,000
2$850,000
1$4,290,125
Offer Sheets
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Dubois, Pierre-Luc$4,290,125
2024 2nd round pick
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (MTL)
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The 3rd is a conditional pick if the pick 2024 2nd is higher than 37th
ARI
  1. 2023 2nd round pick (MTL)
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (MTL)
Additional Details:
MTL pick in 2024 should realistically be lower than 37th
2.
MTL
    Montreal put the cards on the table
    Unless you trade him to montreal for that price we offer sheet PLD and if you match he can't be traded for a year and while you get a quality player for a year at a low cap hit it's probably not a result the jets would be happy in
    WPG
    1. Dvorak, Christian
    2. Mysak, Jan
    3. 2023 1st round pick (FLA)
    Additional Details:
    If he's traded to montreal he signs a 8 year 7.85M AAV and if they go with the offer sheet they sign him to an extension right away at 7 years 9.25M
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    Buyouts
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    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2023
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    2024
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    2025
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$83,500,000$72,661,791$1,170,000$710,000$10,838,209
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $7,850,000$7,850,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $7,875,000$7,875,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    $4,290,125$4,290,125
    C
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,362,500$3,362,500
    C, RW
    RFA - 3
    Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
    $4,150,000$4,150,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,850,000$1,850,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,985,000$1,985,000 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
    C, LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    RW, LW
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $812,500$812,500
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,700,000$1,700,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $4,875,000$4,875,000
    LD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,925,000$1,925,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
    RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $828,333$828,333
    LD/RD
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,400,000$1,400,000
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $850,000$850,000
    RW, LW
    RFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $10,500,000$10,500,000
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
    $766,667$766,667
    RD
    UFA - 2

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    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:14 a.m.
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    Go ahead and offer sheet him. WPG will gladly take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks or even better still the 2 - 1sts, 2nd and 3rd round pick.

    GO AHEAD!!! Take him. We don't want your worthless offer.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:14 a.m.
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    Not sure the Canucks do that trade.He has a injury history the Canucks dont need or can afford.IMHO.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:15 a.m.
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    the offre let wpg sing him at 4.9 and trade him to the LA Kinngs and maximise the offer
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:17 a.m.
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    Quoting: remowilliams
    Not sure the Canucks do that trade.He has a injury history the Canucks dont need or can afford.IMHO.


    They do save 650k in cap, i think its an original idea and if you decline I'm sure habs can try and trade him somewhere else
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    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: WPGSK
    Go ahead and offer sheet him. WPG will gladly take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks or even better still the 2 - 1sts, 2nd and 3rd round pick.

    GO AHEAD!!! Take him. We don't want your worthless offer.


    Did you read what it says ?!?! What 1st 2nd amd 3rd ?!?!
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: charlesle29em
    the offre let wpg sing him at 4.9 and trade him to the LA Kinngs and maximise the offer


    When a player signs an offer sheet he isn't tradable for a full year
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: SMH
    They do save 650k in cap, i think its an original idea and if you decline I'm sure habs can try and trade him somewhere else


    Its not a bad idea,just not for the Canucks.
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    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:20 a.m.
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    Quoting: WPGSK
    Go ahead and offer sheet him. WPG will gladly take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks or even better still the 2 - 1sts, 2nd and 3rd round pick.

    GO AHEAD!!! Take him. We don't want your worthless offer.


    You saw the offer, right? The compensation would be a second-rounder. Now, the Jets would probably be tempted to match, but they then can't trade him until after the season, so not trade deadline bonanza. It's nasty, but it just might work -- even if it's just a threat.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:21 a.m.
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    Quoting: HabsRafiki
    You saw the offer, right? The compensation would be a second-rounder. Now, the Jets would probably be tempted to match, but they then can't trade him until after the season, so not trade deadline bonanza. It's nasty, but it just might work -- even if it's just a threat.


    I called this ACGM team "no hard feelings" for a reason tears of joy
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:32 a.m.
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    Quoting: WPGSK
    Go ahead and offer sheet him. WPG will gladly take the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks or even better still the 2 - 1sts, 2nd and 3rd round pick.

    GO AHEAD!!! Take him. We don't want your worthless offer.


    its an offer that compensates a 2nd so yeah habs should go ahead lmao they match it and pld a ufa next year, they dont they get a 2nd. they played their hand too much if they dont get Byfield and one of the RD of kings and actually expected the 5th overall of this year's draft lmao
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 11:34 a.m.
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    I love these half- witted offer sheet ideas. Like PLD is going to sign an offer sheet that does nothing for him and only benefits a team that is saying, we want you but don't think you're valuable enough to offer fair value for.

    Montreal fan fantasy gold!
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    Jun. 20, 2023 at 12:03 p.m.
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    Quoting: Windjammer
    I love these half- witted offer sheet ideas. Like PLD is going to sign an offer sheet that does nothing for him and only benefits a team that is saying, we want you but don't think you're valuable enough to offer fair value for.

    Montreal fan fantasy gold!


    CANNOT wait to see the Habs fans' faces when they don't get PLD or they have to pay up for him.... will be so much fun to see that!
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    Jun. 20, 2023 at 12:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: WPGSK
    CANNOT wait to see the Habs fans' faces when they don't get PLD or they have to pay up for him.... will be so much fun to see that!


    They're really starting to panic now. They've been convincing themselves for so long that they would get PLD and have to give up nothing of value, that they are really struggling with the reality that they need to compete with other teams that have actual valuable assets that are in play and Montreal can't offer anything comparable.

    Hence the half-witted, grasping at straws, scenarios.
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    Jun. 20, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: WPGSK
    CANNOT wait to see the Habs fans' faces when they don't get PLD or they have to pay up for him.... will be so much fun to see that!


    Can't wait to see the Jets fans faces (especially Windjammers) when PLD is traded for a cap offset 2024 top 10 protected 1st and B prospect like Kidney, even though they think they will get 3 unprotected 1st round picks or something equally ridiculous
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.
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    Quoting: Windjammer
    They're really starting to panic now. They've been convincing themselves for so long that they would get PLD and have to give up nothing of value, that they are really struggling with the reality that they need to compete with other teams that have actual valuable assets that are in play and Montreal can't offer anything comparable.

    Hence the half-witted, grasping at straws, scenarios.


    No body cares if we get PLD enough to "panic" about not getting him. If he wants 8.5 mil + on a long term contract we would be ecstatic not to get him, let some other moron GM trade a bunch of assets for him then sign him to a ridiculous overpayment that he will never live up to.

    PS I got really bad news for those same ridiculous Jets fans, there is no winning a PLD trade. It's like any other team trading their top players that have requested a trade, there is no winning that.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 12:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Can't wait to see the Jets fans faces (especially Windjammers) when PLD is traded for a cap offset 2024 top 10 protected 1st and B prospect like Kidney, even though they think they will get 3 unprotected 1st round picks or something equally ridiculous


    Do you think PLD will sign an offer sheet for less than $6.5M with MTL? He's asking for $9M, which is insane. He's maybe worth $7M tops. I mean, it's possible that he takes a home town discount to get to MTL and bleep the Jets, but he would have to swallow his ego (which is HUGE).

    If PLD signs an offer sheet, it will be for over $6.5M and it could be another team that steps up to grab him and see what happens after the year, which will garner WPG a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, which they would probably be good with.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    No body cares if we get PLD enough to "panic" about not getting him. If he wants 8.5 mil + on a long term contract we would be ecstatic not to get him, let some other moron GM trade a bunch of assets for him then sign him to a ridiculous overpayment that he will never live up to


    Lol. Nobody cares, but yet there are dozens and dozens of Montreal fan ACGM's every day begging for PLD.

    That sure sounds like "nobody cares."
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 12:38 p.m.
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    Quoting: WPGSK
    Do you think PLD will sign an offer sheet for less than $6.5M with MTL? He's asking for $9M, which is insane. He's maybe worth $7M tops. I mean, it's possible that he takes a home town discount to get to MTL and bleep the Jets, but he would have to swallow his ego (which is HUGE).

    If PLD signs an offer sheet, it will be for over $6.5M and it could be another team that steps up to grab him and see what happens after the year, which will garner WPG a 1st, 2nd and 3rd, which they would probably be good with.


    To be fair, he might sign an OS for less than 6.5 but he definitely won't sign one for less than 6 (sorry to my fellow Habs fan) which means a 1st + 3rd
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 12:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: Windjammer
    Lol. Nobody cares, but yet there are dozens and dozens of Montreal fan ACGM's every day begging for PLD.

    That sure sounds like "nobody cares."


    It's cause he is a good player, everyone always wants to improve their team but no one is panicking over it as you suggest they are. If we get him we don't really accelerate the rebuild as even with him we are at least 2 years from being a legit contender. So while it would be nice to get the player, no one will be panniced if we don't get him either
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    Jun. 20, 2023 at 12:52 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    It's cause he is a good player, everyone always wants to improve their team but no one is panicking over it as you suggest they are. If we get him we don't really accelerate the rebuild as even with him we are at least 2 years from being a legit contender. So while it would be nice to get the player, no one will be panniced if we don't get him either


    It's not really panicked if you don't get him. It's that Montreal fans are panicking now, after realizing that they have to put in a competitive offer, which they will have a tough time doing, with other teams bidding.

    You've all spent so much time and energy convincing yourselves and trying to convince everyone else that Montreal would be able to get PLD without giving up anything of value and be able to pay him whatever paltry sum you deemed fit, that now that it appears that isn't true, Montreal fans are starting to scramble. Throwing up ridiculous scenarios and grasping at straws.

    I know you're trying to put on a brave face by saying it doesn't matter, but it definitely will be a huge gut punch if he doesn't end up in Montreal.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 2:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: Windjammer
    It's not really panicked if you don't get him. It's that Montreal fans are panicking now, after realizing that they have to put in a competitive offer, which they will have a tough time doing, with other teams bidding.

    You've all spent so much time and energy convincing yourselves and trying to convince everyone else that Montreal would be able to get PLD without giving up anything of value and be able to pay him whatever paltry sum you deemed fit, that now that it appears that isn't true, Montreal fans are starting to scramble. Throwing up ridiculous scenarios and grasping at straws.

    I know you're trying to put on a brave face by saying it doesn't matter, but it definitely will be a huge gut punch if he doesn't end up in Montreal.


    I have maintained (even when other Habs fans have said that his value is low) that the price to acquire PLD is about the Florida 1st + Kidney + Dvorak/Hoffman + maybe a 3rd now that the Panthers pick is 31st. It has even been agreed upon by multiple other Jets fans. This is a fair price for both sides, I don't think that any GM (even those outside Montreal) would give up much more than this, plus still have to sign him in the 8.5+ mil range, it just makes little sense to go overboard to acquire a 2C who has been problematic for 2 separate teams.

    Why would it be a huge gut punch exactly? If he doesn't come here we aren't out all the assets you seem to think we will be trading to acquire him, we have been down this road several times before with much better players. They say the want to play here but a deal never works out, it's no different than any other team not getting a player their fans are really hot after. It would be more of a gut punch if we paid 5th + Dach + something else then he demanded 10+ mil and we were either forced into signing that or sitting him for the season and lost all those assets for that.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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    Quoting: SMH
    They do save 650k in cap, i think its an original idea and if you decline I'm sure habs can try and trade him somewhere else


    Pretty minimal cap savings for the downgrade in player quality
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 2:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    To be fair, he might sign an OS for less than 6.5 but he definitely won't sign one for less than 6 (sorry to my fellow Habs fan) which means a 1st + 3rd


    Read what i wrote, he'll get his 70m total over 8 years
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 2:37 p.m.
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    Quoting: SMH
    Read what i wrote, he'll get his 70m total over 8 years


    Oh I read it and I know he will still gets paid, I just don't see him willing to signe that low or the league allowing it (they may view it as either cap circumvention or devaluing players). This is just my opinion and I am not saying I am right and you are wrong I just don't see PLD signing even a 1 year deal that low.
    Jun. 20, 2023 at 2:45 p.m.
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Oh I read it and I know he will still gets paid, I just don't see him willing to signe that low or the league allowing it (they may view it as either cap circumvention or devaluing players). This is just my opinion and I am not saying I am right and you are wrong I just don't see PLD signing even a 1 year deal that low.


    If the KK offersheet where he toke more money for one year and then less for the rest of his extension wasn't considered cap circumventing why would that be the case ?
     
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