Ross Colton for broberg

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Quoting: Ennis

You were completely misinformed with our players, calling guys like Tomasino and Glass bottom 6 players. I was simply correcting you. I quoted my friend and you went off the rails.

You ignored my original reply to you, about our players, by the way.

With 5 first round picks in our system, a core of great young players mixed with vets, and a top 3 goalie in the league, I think we'll be okay in 1-2 seasons.

But uhhhh yeah we're re-tooling around Kun- I mean Novak

For sure.

Any contending team glass and tomasino don’t crack the top 6. They would be solid 3rd line options. On nashville they are able to play big minutes because well who else will play above ahead of them. Those 5 1st round picks sure are impressive, shame by the time they are fully developed and ready to make Stanley cup playoff runs that top 3 goalie , Josi and Forsberg will probably all be gone if not in their mid to late 30’s. And you need more talent, whether that adding through trade and removing some of these prospects you speak so highly of or overspending I’m free agency. I don’t see a way this team is able to compete in the next 2-3 years. Maybe they can do a quick turn around like the rangers but they aren’t exactly a top free agent destination or lucky in the lottery

Jun. 26, 2023 at 4:14 a.m.

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Quoting: Jukinators

It's worth noting we just missed the playoffs with those guys playing big minutes.
You content by developing your players, which we are doing.

I'm not going to go tit for tat with you, because we have different opinions. Your original comments on our players and your lack of knowledge of ANYTHING regarding our team leads me to believe I'm speaking with a homer. Only really knows his own team. Not to mention, you slandered my friend for not having a defense but yours was that you read articles lol.

I think my team will be back in contention in 1-2 years, and you don't. Not like we've been perennial contenders years prior while developing prospects on the fly. What makes now any different?

Trotz also directly said he wants to take a step or two back, before taking a step forward, which is where we're getting our opinions from. And in all honesty, I'm trusting an NHL General Manager over a dude in an online forum who confused Novak for Kunin.

Have a good day homie

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Jun. 26, 2023 at 4:21 a.m.

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Quoting: Ennis

"my friend"? did bro really call for backup to win a debate in capfriendly ACGM chat

Jun. 26, 2023 at 4:22 a.m.

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Quoting: LordStanlersCup

"my friend"? did bro really call for backup to win a debate in capfriendly ACGM chat

... the post is on the first page

Jun. 26, 2023 at 4:26 a.m.

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Quoting: Ennis

... the post is on the first page

oh so you randomly saw it,

got it

Jun. 26, 2023 at 4:27 a.m.

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Quoting: LordStanlersCup

oh so you randomly saw it,

got it

Yeah like... it's right there... on the first page....

Jun. 26, 2023 at 4:29 a.m.

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Quoting: Ennis

Yeah like... it's right there... on the first page....

no I believe you,

Jun. 26, 2023 at 5:23 a.m.

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Was excited to read trough 4 pages of discussion about Colton and broberg, yet most of it is a discussion about Nashville smh lol

I'd love to get Broberg honestly. Same with Kampf.
Tatar could be a good add, I'm confident we'll at least sign a FA that values the chances of winning the Cup over money and will sign at cheap, short deal.
JBB will definitely check in on Miles Wood, as OP said Tampa been interested in him for a couple of years now. Though I doubt he'll accept a lower AAV contract than what he last got, especially at 27.

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Jun. 26, 2023 at 7:51 a.m.

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Quoting: Jukinators

Missing the whole point. Tampa bay lighting team u root for trade good player to team for young prospect who doesn’t play good defense at all. He was drafted for his offensive skills yet after being in tampas system is now one of the go to guys to kill penaltys and kill time but whatever you say

No I'm not missing the point. Broberg isn't Sergachev. So please don't sit there and tell me he's Sergachev 2.0.

Jun. 26, 2023 at 10:56 a.m.

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Quoting: Jukinators

No problem I hope those picks lead you back to the promise land hopefully you win one this time.

Sorry about the whole kunin and Novak thing hard to tell 2 mid players apart but hey he is what your retooling around so I’ll give him the credit he deserves.

You have a better shot of winning the cup next year than Tampa collapsing before 2028

There’s a thing called the salary cap. Your core is mostly 30+, you have no prospects to speak of outside of Isaac Howard, and you’re not going to be able to retain a large amount of your young pieces.

You asked what my defense was for not wanting to argue this out. I just left it right above. These takes you have made make no sense to me, and I can’t change your opinion. Why should I fight a pointless battle here? I mean I just don’t agree/get any of it. That’s why I stopped. My defense now is look at this team in 23-24 and 24-25. Don’t be surprised if we make some noise, while Tampa is down living in the doldrums of the league.

Jun. 26, 2023 at 1:10 p.m.

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Quoting: LordStanlersCup

They also had to pay a buyout penalty with a 2/3 ratio for the remaining 2 years and Campbell has 4 years left, there is 0% chance that happens on a contending team

No they didn’t have pay a buyout penalty on Vrana. When sending a player down you only get 1.4M in cap relief any player making more than that has a cap hit even in the AHL.

Jun. 26, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.

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Quoting: Jukinators

Vrana cleared but still had to be dumped by Detroit with retention for a 7th round pick but try again

Vrana was in the AHL for most of last season until he was traded. He didn’t have to be traded tho. DET just decided to move him so of course a 5M player in the AHL got nothing in return when traded. This stuff is so simple and yet you seem to understand none of it

Jun. 26, 2023 at 2:26 p.m.

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Quoting: OkMan

Tampa has two guys in their core over 30(32 and 33) and Kuch literally turned 30 a week ago, so the core aging out anytime soon isn't a huge issue. Yes, they lack many high draft picks atm, but they have plenty of prospects drafted after the 1st round showing promise. As far as keeping their young talent, it won't be much of an issue either with the cap going up, and they do have enough to keep the pieces that matter this offseason. Tampa is still very much a top contender for several more years.

Jun. 26, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.

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Quoting: Jah1722

No they didn’t have pay a buyout penalty on Vrana. When sending a player down you only get 1.4M in cap relief any player making more than that has a cap hit even in the AHL.

I guess I was thinking of a different player but you still have to pay the buried penalty of 3.85 which they cant afford considering they are already over the cap if they try to resign all of their players. You cant just send anyone with a bad contract down to the minors, thats why OEL just got bought out. The buried threshold is 1,150,000. The oilers can either trade campbell, buy him out, or just play him, they wont take a buried penalty sending him to the minors

Jun. 26, 2023 at 2:59 p.m.

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Quoting: Jah1722

you do realize retaining 2.5m for a 7th is less than nothing right? That is a huge negative, also considering the fact that vrana was still putting up some points while jack campbell was awful in edmonton and still has 4 years left on his deal makes this an even worse comparison.

Jun. 26, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.

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Quoting: LordStanlersCup

Numerous teams took the bury penalty last season. It still saves some cap. Not a lot but enough for teams to use it. EDM could use it on anyone making more than the buried threshold and make it work. So still my point stands. Broberg for roster upgrade only.

Also OEL had a NMC which meant he couldn’t be put on waivers for anything other than a buy out.

Jun. 26, 2023 at 3:02 p.m.

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Quoting: LordStanlersCup

Vrana didn’t play for DET much last season and it seemed like some of his off ice stuff pushed him out and Yzerman was willing to eat the cap hit. It wasn’t a huge negative because they still got some cap relief for a player they no longer wanted even if it wasn’t his full contract.

Jun. 26, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.

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Quoting: Jah1722

There would be no saving any money, the 1.15 that you are saving would have to be spent on a backup to replace campbell and broberg has been used in packages for a top 4RD, how is trading him for a 1st + and then using that in a package for a top 4 RD any different?

Jun. 26, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.

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Quoting: Jah1722

yes... thats what im saying that the comparison was bad. Vrana was still a decent player with off ice issues vs campbell who was bad and still has 4 years left on his contract. Also paying 2.5 is a huge negative, something which the oilers cant afford

Jun. 30, 2023 at 12:42 p.m.

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Quoting: OkMan

So much of this is wrong lmao. Nashville has plenty of pieces to build around - Josi, Forsberg, Tomasino, Evangelista, Glass, Novak, Parssinen, and Saros/Askarov. We have plenty of promising young players coming up the ranks, and we still have prospects in the system. Kemell looks like a stud and could be playing in the NHL as soon as next year. The team lacks a true 1C. That’s our number 1 priority.

Also, Duchene has been producing at an 8m level for years now. He looks solid. Maybe do some research before you make a bad argument

Can’t believe they bought out Duchene

Jun. 30, 2023 at 1:14 p.m.

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Quoting: Jukinators

Can’t believe they bought out Duchene

My point still stands. He was producing at a 70+ pt average over the past two years. It’s a stupid decision, especially when Saros isn’t even available for trade. We can’t rebuild unless he goes.

Jun. 30, 2023 at 1:24 p.m.

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Quoting: OkMan

Does your point stand? Lol your paying nearly 10 million dollars In dead cap next year and still 6.5 the year after that. How many teams have won anything with that much dead cap. I can tell you one thing teams do win when they hold that much dead cap, the draft lottery. This team is nowhere and nowhere close to competing

Jun. 30, 2023 at 1:28 p.m.

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Quoting: Jukinators

I mean my pint about the Duchene being a solid producer. I’ve even giving up on this team being competitive. Also, your way off on those buyout number most we ever owe is 6.5m in 2025

Jun. 30, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.

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Quoting: OkMan

I mean my pint about the Duchene being a solid producer. I’ve even giving up on this team being competitive. Also, your way off on those buyout number most we ever owe is 6.5m in 2025

Actually I’m not way off in those buy out numbers if you would car to check your own teams cap friendly page you would know. This year you are paying 4 million to Johansson and 2.555 to Duchene. Next year you are paying 4 mil to Johansson and 5.555 to Duchene they year after that you are paying Duchene 6.555. It’s just cool to be right all the time

Jun. 30, 2023 at 4:32 p.m.

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