Friedman says Pens are the only team still in on Karlsson

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Created by: datools

Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 1, 2023

Published: Jul. 1, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Smith, Ty		1	$900,000
O'Connor, Drew		1	$900,000

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Jarry, Tristan	2	$3,500,000
Rodrigues, Evan	4	$2,500,000
Compher, J.T.	4	$4,500,000

Trades

PIT

Kähkönen, Kaapo
Karlsson, Erik ($3,000,000 retained)

Additional Details:

By both retaining 3million the cap hit comes out almost even with SJS only really holding 3 mill on the last 2 years of Karlsson after Petry's deal is up

SJS

DeSmith, Casey
Granlund, Mikael
Petry, Jeff ($3,000,000 retained)
Poulin, Samuel
2024 2nd round pick (PIT)

Buyouts

Jack Johnson: $916,667

Retained Salary Transactions

Jeff Petry: $3,000,000 (128%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$83,500,000	$80,466,842	$0	$0	$3,033,158

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Guentzel, Jake $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 2	Rust, Bryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 5
Smith, Reilly $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Malkin, Evgeni $6,100,000$6,100,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Rakell, Rickard $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5
O'Connor, Drew $900,000$900,000 LW UFA - 2	Compher, J.T. $4,500,000$4,500,000 C, RW UFA - 5	Rodrigues, Evan $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, C UFA - 4
Nieto, Matt $900,000$900,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Carter, Jeff $3,125,000$3,125,000 RW, C NMC UFA - 1	Nylander, Alexander $775,000$775,000 RW, LW RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Pettersson, Marcus $4,025,175$4,025,175 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Letang, Kris $6,100,000$6,100,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Jarry, Tristan $3,500,000$3,500,000 G UFA - 5
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier $825,000$825,000 LD RFA - 1	Karlsson, Erik $7,000,000$7,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Kähkönen, Kaapo $2,750,000$2,750,000 G UFA - 1
Smith, Ty $900,000$900,000 LD/RD RFA - 1	Rutta, Jan $2,750,000$2,750,000 LD/RD UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Ruhwedel, Chad $800,000$800,000 RD UFA - 1
Puustinen, Valtteri $775,000$775,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.

edeangel84

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Josh Yohe reported it’s like a 3 team trade.

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Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:14 p.m.

Waffelz

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Granlund and Petry are cap dumps, so in this scenario the Sharks are trading Karlsson + Kahkonnen + $3m retained for a 2nd and Desmith? Doesn't seem great.

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.

pensfan21

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I think take out Granlund and it is pretty similar to what the deal could be. I don't see us giving up a 1st

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:16 p.m.

Brian_O_Blivion

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Quoting: pensfan21

I think take out Granlund and it is pretty similar to what the deal could be. I don't see us giving up a 1st

Yes two cap dumps and retention aren’t going to happen

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:22 p.m.

datools

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Quoting: Waffelz

Granlund and Petry are cap dumps, so in this scenario the Sharks are trading Karlsson + Kahkonnen + $3m retained for a 2nd and Desmith? Doesn't seem great.

They're both overpaid but still contributors, Petry is a #4-5 D (6 mill is too much he's probably worth 3-4) and Granlund is still a 3rd line forward (5 mill is too much but 2.5-3 is where he should be). So they're dumps because they're overpaid, it's not like and Andrew Ladd who doesn't belong on a roster. Both guys could fetch a 2nd at the deadline with 50% retention. Especially Petry if pens are already holding 3 mill, he could be held twice and be smaller than a 2 mil cap hit for a playoff team.

That plus DeSmith who's been better than Khakonen and a 2nd and Poulin.

Not amazing value but seems like no one else is interested

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:23 p.m.

edeangel84

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Quoting: Brian_O_Blivion

Yes two cap dumps and retention aren’t going to happen

I think the 3rd team will be where Petry goes and my guess is Nashville or Chicago could be it.

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Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:26 p.m.

Brian_O_Blivion

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Quoting: edeangel84

I think the 3rd team will be where Petry goes and my guess is Nashville or Chicago could be it.

Yep. SJ signed Burroughs today and they were allegedly in on Bear too. Looks like they won’t take Petry after all.

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Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.

Imagine874859

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Is there a source where Friedman said that. Just wondering because I've seen all of Rossi's tweets

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.

edeangel84

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Quoting: Brian_O_Blivion

Yep. SJ signed Burroughs today and they were allegedly in on Bear too. Looks like they won’t take Petry after all.

You’ll likely take most of Granlund but with a 3rd team involved I can see your retention on EK being under 2M.

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:31 p.m.

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edeangel84

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Quoting: Imagine874859

Is there a source where Friedman said that. Just wondering because I've seen all of Rossi's tweets

Yohe is confirming most of this which makes me more confident than relying on Rossi.

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Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.

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Imagine874859

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Quoting: edeangel84

Yohe is confirming most of this which makes me more confident than relying on Rossi.

Okay. This is very exciting ngl

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Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:36 p.m.

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Quoting: edeangel84

You’ll likely take most of Granlund but with a 3rd team involved I can see your retention on EK being under 2M.

Our retention would be low because Sharks owner doesn’t want to be responsible for paying Karlsson to play against him. Grier said Plattner is very much in the Karlsson negotiations. Johnston reported that SJ would retain maximum 3.5 mil

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:37 p.m.

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edeangel84

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Quoting: Brian_O_Blivion

I don’t think you’ll retain that much, especially if a 3rd team is involved.

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.

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Quoting: edeangel84

I don’t think you’ll retain that much, especially if a 3rd team is involved.

I just want it over with.

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.

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Quoting: edeangel84

I don’t think you’ll retain that much, especially if a 3rd team is involved.

I think it would be in the Sharks best interest to retain as much as possible, to help maximize a potential return.

Jul. 1, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.

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edeangel84

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Quoting: Waffelz

I think it would be in the Sharks best interest to retain as much as possible, to help maximize a potential return.

Not if money is the primary reason for the trade, which it clearly is.

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