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We can’t play Wheeler and Panarin together because both players are considered pass-first. I think playing Wheeler on the first line with Kreider and Mika, then Panarin with Trocheck and Kakko would be the best option. Kakko’s shot is very underrated and I can see him having a 20-25 goal year this season.
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:17 a.m.
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Poor Laffy. I think he considers an offer sheet if that's the best the Rangers have to offer
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:23 a.m.
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Poor Laffy. I think he considers an offer sheet if that's the best the Rangers have to offer


At some point, he needs to find another gear to up his production. He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't done enough to warrant anything larger than this off his ELC.

The farther he gets from his Draft date while putting up the #'s he has been, the less weight his 1OA status carries.
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:23 a.m.
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Poor Laffy. I think he considers an offer sheet if that's the best the Rangers have to offer


I think it all comes down to coaching. Lav already said that he’s going to devote ice time to Laf and Kakko because Gallant and Quinn have ruined their development. Lafreniere last year had 39 points and only one point came from the power play (because he was never on it).
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:24 a.m.
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Would definitely take a crack at Yamamoto. Don't want Pitlick being an everyday player.
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Would definitely take a crack at Yamamoto. Don't want Pitlick being an everyday player.


I think he definitely could have some upside. If we could get him for less than 1.5, then im all for it.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:28 a.m.
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I think it all comes down to coaching. Lav already said that he’s going to devote ice time to Laf and Kakko because Gallant and Quinn have ruined their development. Lafreniere last year had 39 points and only one point came from the power play (because he was never on it).


I think a lowball deal added to the fact that they are looking to play Wheeler in the top 6, I would be worried he's still gonna get relegated to 3rd line status and not have enough time to prove he deserves the big deal in 2 years.

Right or wrong, he'll be looking for top 6 minutes and it does not look like the Rangers are creating that opportunity for him.
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:29 a.m.
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At some point, he needs to find another gear to up his production. He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't done enough to warrant anything larger than this off his ELC.

The farther he gets from his Draft date while putting up the #'s he has been, the less weight his 1OA status carries.


No PP minutes though, he's not being given the opportunities other players are.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:39 a.m.
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No PP minutes though, he's not being given the opportunities other players are.


They lean heavily on the Top Power Play unit, yes. But it's because they're effective. And there is no one on that unit he could jump over.

When he was a kid fresh out of the Draft, that was understandable. As he now enters his 4th year, there are no more excuses. Both physically and mentally, he's had enough time to improve all his attributes and really show what he can do.

Can't always blame the Coaching staff for everything. Especially while on a competitive team. Any other Coach that would have been here would have given more ice time to their Top players. When Panarin averages over 90 points over each of the last 2 Seasons, while Kreider averages about 45 Goals over the last 2 Seasons, they've earned more opportunities than a kid who has topped out at 40 total Points.

Time for him to set himself apart.
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:40 a.m.
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They lean heavily on the Top Power Play unit, yes. But it's because they're effective. And there is no one on that unit he could jump over.

When he was a kid fresh out of the Draft, that was understandable. As he now enters his 4th year, there are no more excuses. Both physically and mentally, he's had enough time to improve all his attributes and really show what he can do.

Can't always blame the Coaching staff for everything. Especially while on a competitive team. Any other Coach that would have been here would have given more ice time to their Top players. When Panarin averages over 90 points over each of the last 2 Seasons, while Kreider averages about 45 Goals over the last 2 Seasons, they've earned more opportunities than a kid who has topped out at 40 total Points.

Time for him to set himself apart.


Would you walk away in a 6M offer sheet scenario? (1st & 3rd)
Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:41 a.m.
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I think a lowball deal added to the fact that they are looking to play Wheeler in the top 6, I would be worried he's still gonna get relegated to 3rd line status and not have enough time to prove he deserves the big deal in 2 years.

Right or wrong, he'll be looking for top 6 minutes and it does not look like the Rangers are creating that opportunity for him.


KAM will get around 3.5-3.8m, Lafwill be 2.5ish. Only way we lose 1 of them is if both get sizeable OS and, AND sign them. And they don’t really happen
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:43 a.m.
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KAM will get around 3.5-3.8m, Lafwill be 2.5ish. Only way we lose 1 of them is if both get sizeable OS and, AND sign them. And they don’t really happen


Hmm. I think any 1 offer sheet is enough to mess things up. Like if Miller is not signed and Laf accepts an offer sheet around 6M, even if they match, they will have a hard time convincing Miller to sign for less, don't you think? Not to mention what Kakko thinks next year.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:44 a.m.
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Would you walk away in a 6M offer sheet scenario? (1st & 3rd)


If there’s term 💯 match it. 6x6 would be an absolute steal of a deal
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:45 a.m.
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Trade goodrow, sign Rodrigues and run

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With stastny and cuylle as extras
Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:45 a.m.
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If there’s term 💯 match it. 6x6 would be an absolute steal of a deal


I was thinking 6.35M on 1 year.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:46 a.m.
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Would you walk away in a 6M offer sheet scenario? (1st & 3rd)


1OA status aside, anyone throwing out an OS that high for a kid that hasn't hit 20 Goals or 40 Points yet needs to have their head examined. Especially during another stagnant Cap year.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:49 a.m.
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Hmm. I think any 1 offer sheet is enough to mess things up. Like if Miller is not signed and Laf accepts an offer sheet around 6M, even if they match, they will have a hard time convincing Miller to sign for less, don't you think? Not to mention what Kakko thinks next year.


If KAM only had the option of signing 1.3M then he does, then the following years NYR make it up to him. While they appear cap strapped, they aren’t. They can buyout Goodrow next year and give his cap to KAM. The guys with trade clauses can still be move(despite popular opinion of saying no). The cap is also about to jump. There’s lots of $.
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 8:58 a.m.
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I was thinking 6.35M on 1 year.


OS still need to be signed. He likely walks it to drury and they work out an extension. Hence why they both need to be high OS to lose 1
Jul. 2, 2023 at 9:05 a.m.
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OS still need to be signed. He likely walks it to drury and they work out an extension. Hence why they both need to be high OS to lose 1


Well, hang on. So let's say Drury offers him 6x6 or something like that. Now what do you estimate happens with Miller
Jul. 2, 2023 at 9:10 a.m.
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Well, hang on. So let's say Drury offers him 6x6 or something like that. Now what do you estimate happens with Miller


Today he takes what’s left, next year he gets cap increase/Goodrow cap. For instance, let’s say it’s 1.2M left for this year, he takes it, come November they work a long term extension of 6x6 also which will be covered by Goodrow and cap increase easily.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 9:11 a.m.
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Today he takes what’s left, next year he gets cap increase/Goodrow cap. For instance, let’s say it’s 1.2M left for this year, he takes it, come November they work a long term extension of 6x6 also which will be covered by Goodrow and cap increase easily.


And then Kakko gets the same?

Good luck getting Miller on 1.2...
Jul. 2, 2023 at 9:20 a.m.
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They lean heavily on the Top Power Play unit, yes. But it's because they're effective. And there is no one on that unit he could jump over.

When he was a kid fresh out of the Draft, that was understandable. As he now enters his 4th year, there are no more excuses. Both physically and mentally, he's had enough time to improve all his attributes and really show what he can do.

Can't always blame the Coaching staff for everything. Especially while on a competitive team. Any other Coach that would have been here would have given more ice time to their Top players. When Panarin averages over 90 points over each of the last 2 Seasons, while Kreider averages about 45 Goals over the last 2 Seasons, they've earned more opportunities than a kid who has topped out at 40 total Points.

Time for him to set himself apart.


How about putting him in the PP slot Kane had end of last year?

Comes down to whether Lav looks to placate his vets OR do what's best for the longer term picture. Of course if LaF was inserted on PP1 he would have to perform. But he would need a generous window of opportunity to show he belongs (or doesn't belong) there. And the important thing to realize is that IF he is given PP1 opportunity and shows to fit in there, the resulting production should generate confidence and assertiveness which should REALLY benefit whatever line he is on (1st, 2nd or 3rd).
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 9:23 a.m.
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And then Kakko gets the same?

Good luck getting Miller on 1.2...


Yes, Kakko would be the same. Thing is, they already have a precedent set and that’s the Chytil and Lindgren deals. This is how NYR work with the exception of absolute super stars(fox and shesty who both took less than they could have got). So ya, KAM isn’t getting 1.2, it’s more like 3.5, while Laf gets 2.5, Kakko will be 4-5, shesty will be 8. Only way either signs an OS is if it’s term and money, only way it’s not matched is if it’s over a set amount. Everyone said the same thing about the TB players 3 years ago when they were 15-20m over cap. But good luck getting Laf to sign 1x6m, it won’t happen unless he actually Wants out and that hasn’t once been expressed. Not to mention we are the only fan base who hasn’t blanketed him with the term “bust” lol.

Aho signed because he knew CAR could and would match

KK signed because he wanted out

Laf and KAM don’t fit those moulds
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And then Kakko gets the same?

Good luck getting Miller on 1.2...


thing to consider is the Cap is expected to make a BIG jump next year. So over the next few years a lot more $ will come available at a time where it's easier for NYR to shed salary until finally they are done with Panarin and Trouba contracts.
Jul. 2, 2023 at 9:30 a.m.
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Yes, Kakko would be the same. Thing is, they already have a precedent set and that’s the Chytil and Lindgren deals. This is how NYR work with the exception of absolute super stars(fox and shesty who both took less than they could have got). So ya, KAM isn’t getting 1.2, it’s more like 3.5, while Laf gets 2.5, Kakko will be 4-5, shesty will be 8. Only way either signs an OS is if it’s term and money, only way it’s not matched is if it’s over a set amount. Everyone said the same thing about the TB players 3 years ago when they were 15-20m over cap. But good luck getting Laf to sign 1x6m, it won’t happen unless he actually Wants out and that hasn’t once been expressed. Not to mention we are the only fan base who hasn’t blanketed him with the term “bust” lol.

Aho signed because he knew CAR could and would match

KK signed because he wanted out

Laf and KAM don’t fit those moulds


Unless negotiations with LaF and/or Miller camps are going south, an OS- although not impossible- is not a likely situation. Most likely scenario is both sign at/around the #'s you lay out...and then 2 or 3 years down the line they revisit negotiations- at a time when the Cap takes a huge jump AND NYR have close to 20M coming off the books.
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Jul. 2, 2023 at 9:36 a.m.
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Unless negotiations with LaF and/or Miller camps are going south, an OS- although not impossible- is not a likely situation. Most likely scenario is both sign at/around the #'s you lay out...and then 2 or 3 years down the line they revisit negotiations- at a time when the Cap takes a huge jump AND NYR have close to 20M coming off the books.


That’s exactly what should be expected. The timelines for othmann and gabe and future pics will slide in nicely as the big deals are being moved out and the money is being invested into our current youth. And like you said, unless there’s a hiccup or an obscene OS out there it should go as we suggest
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