wading back into the nylander discussions

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Created by: qc14

Team: 2023-24 Washington Capitals

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 21, 2023

Published: Jul. 21, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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some explanation:

whether its what the caps should do or not is not the question -- Wilson is off the table
any deal would have to be cap in/cap out for Washington and Toronto needs an immediate top 6 contributor coming back, so Kuzy goes to TOR, one of him/Tavares/Domi goes to wing
Murray gets packaged in to help TOR with their cap for this year and next by avoiding having to buy him out themselves, it also slightly lessens the future cost for washington
an unprotected 24 1st + Protas + Lapierre is a good future package, comparable if not better to the 23 1st + Muhk + Zetterlund future package that NJD gave up for Meier
from my (admittedly not too knowledgable) poking around with a Leafs version, this deal would leave them with ~3.35 to sign Samsonov

Trades

WSH

TOR

Buyouts

Matt Murray: $687,500

Buried

Nicolas Aubé-Kubel: $75,000 ($1,225,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
21	$83,500,000	$79,212,366	$20,000	$2,000,000	$4,287,634

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Ovechkin, Alex $9,500,000$9,500,000 LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Strome, Dylan $5,000,000$5,000,000 C UFA - 5	Wilson, Tom $5,166,667$5,166,667 RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Pacioretty, Max $2,000,000$2,000,000 ($2,000,000$2M) LW NMC UFA - 1	McMichael, Connor $863,333$863,333 LW, C RFA - 1	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW NMC UFA - 1
Mantha, Anthony $2,850,000$2,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Bäckström, Nicklas $9,200,000$9,200,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Oshie, T.J. $5,750,000$5,750,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 2
Malenstyn, Beck $762,500$762,500 C, LW RFA - 1	Dowd, Nic $1,300,000$1,300,000 C UFA - 2	Milano, Sonny $1,900,000$1,900,000 LW, RW UFA - 3

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Fehérváry, Martin $2,675,000$2,675,000 LD/RD RFA - 3	Carlson, John $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Kuemper, Darcy $5,250,000$5,250,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Jensen, Nick $4,050,000$4,050,000 RD UFA - 3	Lindgren, Charlie $1,100,000$1,100,000 G UFA - 2
Sandin, Rasmus $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD UFA - 1	van Riemsdyk, Trevor $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD UFA - 3
Alexeyev, Alexander $825,000$825,000 LD/RD RFA - 2

Jul. 21, 2023 at 6:41 p.m.

MitchJr

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Edited Jul. 21, 2023 at 6:52 p.m.. Reason: Tbf, return is not a pile ?my bad) but just don’t think the leafs have any interest is kutznetsiv or futures

Wilson wouldn’t be enough for Willy and neither is this pile.

Jul. 21, 2023 at 6:53 p.m.

Ryminister_92

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2 important things here:

1. I’d think almost no chance that Kuznetsov is part of a Nylander deal. Doesn’t fit anything that Treliving likes in his players and he isn’t worth his contract. Adding his extra cap from Nylander isn’t an option for Toronto.

2. Washington can’t buy out Murray. Their buyout window is well gone by already.

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Jul. 21, 2023 at 6:57 p.m.

HughMann413

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I wish Kuzy would move to the wing in DC. But alas, I think he is too prideful to do that willingly. A line of Kuzy-Backstrom-Wilson/Oshie could be a lot of fun to watch. Or even Ovi-Backstrom-Kuzy. IDK, if he was willing to scoot over, I think it already would have happened.

Jul. 21, 2023 at 6:59 p.m.

brady_t12

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I wouldn’t be very happy giving up Lapierre and Protas and a first for one year of Nylander. Then on top of that, moving Kuzy and taking back Murray is just too much (and we can’t buy him out because the window is passed).

There’s a good chance a deal just won’t work out between the two teams as much as I’d love to add Nylander without moving Wilson.

Jul. 21, 2023 at 7:01 p.m.

qc14

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Quoting: GreatWhiteNorth

completely forgot about the buyout window which completely nukes this deal lol. i guess you take out murray and replace kuzy with mantha and the money should (?) work, don't know if TOR would be interested in that though

Jul. 21, 2023 at 7:05 p.m.

Ryminister_92

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Quoting: qc14

Toronto wants impact roster players for Nylander if they can’t get him signed. You haven’t really offered that. Anyone outside of Wilson likely doesn’t interest them. Caps fans don’t wanna move him, but if he’s not part of the deal then Toronto can easily find a better deal with another team.

Jul. 21, 2023 at 9:43 p.m.

SomeonesOffended

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Add Tom Wilson

Jul. 22, 2023 at 2:24 a.m.

aadoyle

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Not a bad pkg for a sign and traded Willy and it helps move Sammy which is nice

Only issue I believe is Kuznetsov's deal and depends on what Sammy makes.

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