Don't trade Dowd. He is one of the most consistent players on the team.

I really appreciate what Dowd brings but that's a decent bit too much for any player that would be our 4C. Petrov OR the 3rd + the 4th would be as high as I'd go. Maybe we could discuss 50% retention while we're at it.

You realize its Dowd + those picks for Petrov correct?

Dowd is a great player, but they need to start infusing some of the young core into the team and if we can get a good prospect back from a guy who is 33. We have to take it at this point.

I'd consider the Preds trade. But maybe Carrier instead of Fabbro?

The reasoning for Fabbro here for me is the Preds are not getting what they hoped they would from him and I think he needs a change in scenery in order for him to polish off his game, furthermore the Capitals are giving up a second rounder on top of Kuznetsov for that package

Haha I misread so that's my bad! In that case, you're overpaying for Petrov.

But are we though? He has put up first rounder point totals the previous 2 years.

Your point about retention is a good one. If the Oilers
- acquired Dowd at 50%
- sent Pederson and Niemelainen down
- bring Broberg up
- sign McLeod for $1.75x2

That leaves them with a 21 man roster and $3.88M cap space with which to sign Bouchard. Perfect.

Add retention, drop the picks?

I don't see why we wouldn't retain that, its such as small salary that it works fine for us

I'd say so. 19 & 20 yr old junior players are supposed to put up impressive offensive totals in their post-draft CHL seasons. Petrov doing it in two different conditions (alongside Coe & Russell in 21-22 and as the main driver in 22-23) is impressive for a 6th rounder, but he's likely only improved his stock towards around that of a 3rd round pick. If he adapts quickly to the AHL and scores well, then we can start the discussion of his value trending towards that of a 1st rounder.

He and Tullio have outplayed their draft position by far. They're both roughly equal to Bourgault, who was drafted #22 and has been playing up to expectations.

I'm not saying they'll all end up as middle-6 NHL wingers, but they're all trending in that direction.

I think he'd be an ideal player for EDM to bolster their F group with. Adding his outscoring track record in a shutdown role AND his R-side FO ability would be huge- especially at 650k for another year after this.

Bourgault didn't adapt quickly to the AHL. Most rookies don't start scoring at reasonable rates until after Christmas. That's what I'd look for from Petrov.

I disagree that he and Tullio are roughly equal to Bourgault. I firmly believe that each has a significant obstacle to overcome (foot speed for Tullio; either rounding out his game or asserting his offensive game following his pro transition) before being roughly equal to Bourgault in terms of value.

While it depends on exactly how you define "adapting quickly", I'd argue the contrary. Bourgault got off to a good start in his rookie season and one befitting of his 1st round pick status:

Pre-Christmas: 26, 8-7-15 (.58)
Midseason dip: 14, 1-3-4 (.29)
Final segment: 22, 4-11-15 (.68)

I agree, though, that most players trending towards a significant NHL career will at least start scoring by post-Christmas in their rookie year. That's exactly what I mean, though. For him to have the value equivalent to a 1st rounder, he'd need to adapt quickly and produce similarly (likely better) than Bourgault did last year.

Tullio's 5v5 P/60 was significantly higher than Bourgault's in their AHL rookie campaigns. His offensive game is quite assertive, his most common NHL comparison is Brendan Gallagher.

While Carrier instead of Fabbro may definitely be better for NSH, imo we should accept this offer either way.

You don't need to convince me of Tullio; I love what I've seen from him! If there's any player in EDM's prospect pool that I expect to exceed expectations, it's Tullio. However, Bourgault is still a 1st rounder who posted the offense he did with 6 fewer months of age & 1 fewer pro-level development seasons under his belt. He also doesn't have the same skating limitation to overcome that Tullio does. This combination of things means he holds less value on average to external observers.

As for the comparable, that's a stylstic comparable that I agree with. That being said, it's a stylistic one. Gallagher played his rookie season in the NHL at 21 (28pts in 46gm) after a stint in the AHL (20pts in 36gm). I'll restate that I think he can exceed those expectations, but he hasn't done so yet.